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Old July 10th, 2017, 10:17 AM #31
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So he's passing on bad information that could result in someone being arrested and having their guns confiscated?

We often note that, whatever the letter of the law may be, we shouldn't count on being able to clear up misunderstandings of the law on the side of the road. We can't expect every LEO to be an expert on the nuances of the law. So where do people get their misinformation?

Many people, non-LEO as well as LEO, believe that possession of plus-ten round magazines is illegal. Where do they get that misinformation?
Many people believe that deviation from the most direct route to the range or gunshop, even a stop for gas, is illegal. This is absolutely untrue, but many believe it.

Here we see the dangerous and pernicious falsehood being repeated and semingly endorsed:



These are LIES. They are dangerous falsehoods. Where do poorly informed LEOs get there misinformation?

The OP should correct these falsehoods.
ThreeBand, I don't think it is fair to say that these are "lies." First, while a violation of Crim. Code Section 4-203 on transport in MD may be a misdemeanor (rather than a felony), a violation is punishable with up to three years in prison and thus results in a federal firearms disqualification just like a felony, regardless of the amount of jail time imposed. You are just as screwed, at least in so far as your future possession of modern firearms and ammunition is concerned.

Second, the statute covers "transport." It starts off on a total ban on carry, and then makes a series of exceptions for certain types of transport. These exceptions have not been litigated and there is no case law on what "transport" means. So I don't think you can say definitely that it is perfectly fine to stop for gas. We just don't know until there is case law from the State appellate courts. I will say that literally speaking, stopping for any reason does not necessarily cover "transport" since you are not transporting at the time. You are stopped and how does the hostile LEO know what you are doing and where you are going? The point is to avoid an arrest, not just a conviction. The LEO and the prosecutor are not your friends. If you want to be safe, construe this statute very narrowly. Certainly, "transport" has been very narrowly construed by the federal courts in applying 18 USC 926A (FOPA). When I transport regulated firearms, I go directly to and from the range (or dealer, etc) and I don't stop. And the guns are unloaded, in an enclosed case and in the trunk. I have no interest in being a test case. It would cost a small fortune and I might lose in this State because the courts are rabidly anti-gun.
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Old July 10th, 2017, 10:25 AM #32
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Just a thought, I hate it when politicians come looking for support during an election and then disappear for 3 years only to come back and claim to be our friends and supporters.

EDIT: I should have prefaced that with, he is still better than the 3 sitting in there now and he will get my vote. But its still annoying.
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Just a thought, I hate it when politicians come looking for support during an election and then disappear for 3 years only to come back and claim to be our friends and supporters.

EDIT: I should have prefaced that with, he is still better than the 3 sitting in there now and he will get my vote. But its still annoying.
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Old July 11th, 2017, 10:45 AM #34
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There are 3 seats in D32. The Dems run as a slate (team). The slate is a powerful team and one of the reasons they beat us. Mark and I know each other and are moving towards teaming up. We have similar backgrounds and core beliefs. Either or both of us will be a help to the community. We prefer to sweep all three seats and the senate seats and will work together to that end.

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All - The intent of this post was to begin educating folks on stuff behind the scenes that we do not normally look at. The Baltimore Sun posted that the City was going to work with the Legislation to propose emergency gun legislation. I used the 2A FB post as they had insight on what was going to be looked at. This was NOT about current laws.

The intent is NOT the legislation but how to begin talking about how we got here, things we are not looking at. That shooter had an extensive history before the age of 19. it included attempted murder, a gun charge that disappeared and several 2nd degree assault charges. This shows the CURRENT gun laws are not being ENFORCED. That is the message that resonates with most people I speak to, current laws are NOT being enforced so why new laws that will also not be enforced but will infringe on more law abiding citizens.

I used this discussion point at a liberal town hall with the WISE women of AACO. Their gun control chairperson had no response to this.

My posts are here to help shape message if you choose to use the information. I also hope to bring a different perspective to these discussions. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks for the great discussion. I am also always learning and will course correct if wrong.

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Matlock - Sorry to hear you feel this way and I can understand that optic. I have been having conversations with people just not on this board. I have also been extensively working since the last election to talk to people on all of this issues, not just 2A. I have been at many churches, community associations, right to life, and other events over the past three years. I do agree that this has been a republican narrative in D32 as long as I can remember, but not from me. I never stopped educating and being involved since 2014. I will admit that I do have a job, family and life and one has to find a balance or he/she will no longer be effective. I would also note I have not seen too many other candidates actually interface with shooters directly and consistently as I have, or to help educate. Thanks for the feedback.
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There are 3 seats in D32. The Dems run as a slate (team). The slate is a powerful team and one of the reasons they beat us. Mark and I know each other and are moving towards teaming up. We have similar backgrounds and core beliefs. Either or both of us will be a help to the community. We prefer to sweep all three seats and the senate seats and will work together to that end.

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People may disagree with this, but IMO you should try to find a third person to run. If you tell people they can vote for three most will, meaning your supporters will vote 2R and 1D in the general. You don't want that.
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Three people will run. A third person has presented herself this week; Patty Ewing. We will most likely have several others come forward over time. Thanks.
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Stoveman - They did not for the most part. I spoke with several clubs and had access. A lot of it was just bad timing as I got in the race so late. I hope that will be dramatically different this time.
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Stoveman - They did not for the most part. I spoke with several clubs and had access. A lot of it was just bad timing as I got in the race so late. I hope that will be dramatically different this time.


Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you out in that regard.
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