Anyone cast bullets for 300 blk?

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  • John from MD

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    My experience is that you can get better accuracy with 120/130 grain jacketed bullets. The thing is, they cost more too. Using lead bullets may open up your groups but it makes for more trigger time. ;)
     

    guzma393

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    My experience is that you can get better accuracy with 120/130 grain jacketed bullets. The thing is, they cost more too. Using lead bullets may open up your groups but it makes for more trigger time. ;)

    For sure, I loaded up a bunch of cast loads after hearing that satisfying ping on a 6" steel target at 100 yards at a standing position. I'm curious how soft of a lead alloy I can get away with. I am currently running water quenched lyman #2 alloy with these casts.

    I got a hold of range scrap alloy with BHN of 9-10 for the wonderful price of free. I made a bit of powder coated and gas checked bullets to load up. Started off with 10 and see how they fly...probably not that great.
     

    John from MD

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    The only problem I have found with lead that is too soft is the violent transition from magazine to chamber. Softer lead, even if PC'd tends to get damage of one type or the other as it goes into the chamber. Other than that, I have shot soft lead PC's in my 30-06 bolt gun to 2600FPS with no issues and excellent accuracy.
     

    guzma393

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    The only problem I have found with lead that is too soft is the violent transition from magazine to chamber. Softer lead, even if PC'd tends to get damage of one type or the other as it goes into the chamber. Other than that, I have shot soft lead PC's in my 30-06 bolt gun to 2600FPS with no issues and excellent accuracy.

    Good to know, Ill take the same round and run it out of a 7.62x39 bolt action and see how that goes.
     

    atblis

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    I settled with 3-5 moa pinging steel at 100yd using imr4227, powdercoated, sized 309/160 grain GC lee cast, out of a 7.5" bear creek arsenal upper.

    Definitely room for improvement, but it's good enough for general plinking ammo at the range.
    I should have clarified that I meant subsonic heavy bullets.

    I'm really starting to think that something like a 350 legend would be better for subsonic AR15 stuff.
     

    guzma393

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    I should have clarified that I meant subsonic heavy bullets.

    I'm really starting to think that something like a 350 legend would be better for subsonic AR15 stuff.

    I can't really speak for subsonic casts just yet. During my first run, i was using a terribly undersized Lee 309/230 cast bullet without a GC.

    Apart from the noticeable gas cutting and terrible design of that bullet (maybe i just had a lemon of a mold), I had a moment where I was fairly hitting the 6" steel target on a bench rest position.

    I winded up breaking the mold trying to make it into a plain based bullet without lube grooves. I have a replacement NOE 311/225 PB one on the way and will get back to making subsonics again.
     

    guzma393

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    Tested out those range scrap 309/160s. Pings a 6" steel target great at 100yards and chronos around ~1400 fps. For free/salvaged lead casts with a gas check/powder coat investment, I can't complain.
     

    Melnic

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    Finally got pics of my subsonic powder coated cast @ 100 yards

    Had my target set out at 100 yards to check my Muzzzle loader and shot 5 of my powder coated cast Bullets before putting up steel

    10.7” Rainier Arms barrel and home made form 1 suppressor shooting Lee 309-230 mold Powder coated gas checked with 9gr H110

    Grouping exceeds my expectations.

    For steel
    Nice thing is that with my electronic muffs, it’s not so loud that they cut out when I shoot and the sound of the steel is pretty loud to me and noticeable .
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    EDIT: I originally posted Faxon, but this is a Rainier
     
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    guzma393

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    Finally got pics of my subsonic powder coated cast @ 100 yards

    Had my target set out at 100 yards to check my Muzzzle loader and shot 5 of my powder coated cast Bullets before putting up steel

    10.5” Faxon barrel and home made form 1 suppressor shooting Lee 309-230 mold Powder coated gas checked with 9gr H110

    Grouping exceeds my expectations.

    For steel
    Nice thing is that with my electronic muffs, it’s not so loud that they cut out when I shoot and the sound of the steel is pretty loud to me and noticeable .
    f55b506a0a9838c25f93c6158978060a.jpg



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    The lee 309-230 mold I had undersized casts, even with powder coat on. The engagement surface was undersized that there wasn't enough neck tension to hold the bullet along the case neck even when seating to mag length with a heavy crimp.

    I wind up buying a NOE 311-225 mold. I still haven't got to casting them since I moved on and loaded a bunch of lee 311-160 supers. How is your homemade form 1 for 300 blk holding up? I'm interested in doing a form 1 built for my 300 blk in the near future.
     

    atblis

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    Does it cycle those or are you single loading? That's probably the best group I've seen for cast subsonic 300 blackout out of an AR.
     

    Melnic

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    Does it cycle those or are you single loading? That's probably the best group I've seen for cast subsonic 300 blackout out of an AR.


    Yes
    Pistol gas will cycle it no problem and the suppressor helps.


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    atblis

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    Out of curiosity trying single loading not from a magazine and shoot some groups.
     

    atblis

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    Not so much that the bullet gets deformed, but more that the necks get bent. 300 BLK has a short neck with a long bullet sticking out. Bullet hits the feed ramp and gets levered in the neck.
     

    johnkn

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    Feb 27, 2012
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    Curious what (4) 32lb bars of pure lead is worth. 128lbs total. Thanks
     

    C.Alls

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    Nov 9, 2013
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    I buy it from the scrap yard for 50cents a pound but it needs smelted. There's a guy who sells certified pure lead in ingot form on the site for $1.50 a pound.
     

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