Disappointing Hogan the Best Option in Anti-Gun Maryland

East2West · Oct 29, 2018

dblas said:
The vetoes could not have been over ridden period. The bills would have to be brought back (under new bill numbers) in order to have another chance at passing.

Under new bill numbers in front of perhaps a more 2A friendly MGA with a few Dem seats having been flipped to the Republicans who have been emboldened by a Gov who rejected gun control and was still reelected.

Instead, even if those same seats are taken by the GOP the MDGOP leadership will be emboldened by a GOP Gov who passed anti-gun legislation and went on to win the state. They will be solidified in their belief that the gun owners of this state will take a hit and still support them.

Why anyone expects not to see more anti gun lunacy out of Annapolis the next 4 years with kipke, szeliga, and Hogan at the helm is beyond me. At least we have kavanaugh.

Jim12 · Oct 29, 2018

Meh. Meanwhile, his veto might have made it an entirely different race right now, and be a major issue that Jealous (or whoever else might have been nominated in his place) and the Dems would be beating him over the head with in 2A-unfriendly Maryland.

It could be a different, anti-2A Dem running, leading Hogan in the polls right now, and demagoguing that Hogan's vetoes might make Maryland the next Las Vegas, Parkland, or Pittsburgh. Facts don't matter.

People can't assume that his veto wouldn't have generated a visceral response.

Gorba · Oct 29, 2018

For several weeks I've been dealing with a compulsion to read the new posts on this thread every day. I solved that problem. Yesterday I voted! One man, one vote. I've done all I can do. I hope EVERYONE will do the same, either early or on election day. BTW, my precinct reports VERY heavy early voting. I hope that's a good omen.

East2West · Oct 29, 2018

Hogan can and will win this election even without the support of those who actually value their gun rights. Like many of the Hogan supporters here have pointed out, this election is also largely about the down ballot races. The local folks and MGA folks can ride this Hogan wave to victory, hopefully in some cases to defeat Democrats and build our numbers.

Here's the problem with blindly supporting Hogan. How do you ignore his record on guns and support him and not expect for our GOP assemblymen to carry on with the "common sense" gun bills? A message needs to be sent to them that one day Hogan will be gone, and that on a local level gun owners are an influential part of the electorate, and this red flag/bump stock bs ain't gonna fly.

I just don't know how you support Hogan overwhelmingly AND send that message. Despite what the MUHHH SOCIALIST screamers here say, the MGA is where the sausage is made, not in the Governor's mansion.

Jim12 · Oct 29, 2018

East2West said:
Hogan can and will win this election even without the support of those who actually value their gun rights. Like many of the Hogan supporters here have pointed out, this election is also largely about the down ballot races. The local folks and MGA folks can ride this Hogan wave to victory, hopefully in some cases to defeat Democrats and build our numbers.

Here's the problem with blindly supporting Hogan. How do you ignore his record on guns and support him and not expect for our GOP assemblymen to carry on with the "common sense" gun bills? A message needs to be sent to them that one day Hogan will be gone, and that on a local level gun owners are an influential part of the electorate, and this red flag/bump stock bs ain't gonna fly.

I just don't know how you support Hogan overwhelmingly AND send that message. Despite what the MUHHH SOCIALIST screamers here say, the MGA is where the sausage is made, not in the Governor's mansion.

1. Nobody's blindly supporting Hogan.

2. People can send him a message by... sending him a message. He has a website with email contact, a fb page, and a mailing address.

3. There are other issues besides 2A that affect people's lives and families diectly every day. Hogan is the hands down choice on those other issues that most people care about.

Polls say he's likely to win, but why put it all on the line based on a poll concocted by people who many people don't even trust enough to honestly answer their questions?

44man · Oct 29, 2018

East2West said:
Hogan can and will win this election even without the support of those who actually value their gun rights. Like many of the Hogan supporters here have pointed out, this election is also largely about the down ballot races. The local folks and MGA folks can ride this Hogan wave to victory, hopefully in some cases to defeat Democrats and build our numbers.

Here's the problem with blindly supporting Hogan. How do you ignore his record on guns and support him and not expect for our GOP assemblymen to carry on with the "common sense" gun bills? A message needs to be sent to them that one day Hogan will be gone, and that on a local level gun owners are an influential part of the electorate, and this red flag/bump stock bs ain't gonna fly.

I just don't know how you support Hogan overwhelmingly AND send that message. Despite what the MUHHH SOCIALIST screamers here say, the MGA is where the sausage is made, not in the Governor's mansion.

The funny thing is the majority of the republican reps last year voted with the dems for anti gun and anti constitutional bills and it seems we are supposed to forget and forgive and somehow believe that next session they won’t do the same.

Sooner or later there has to be a penalty for republicans voting anti gun and anti constitution, but I doubt it’s gonna happen in md

It seems the vast majority of republicans in md are actually rinos, be they politicians or not

j_h_smith · Oct 29, 2018

East2West said:
Hogan can and will win this election even without the support of those who actually value their gun rights. Like many of the Hogan supporters here have pointed out, this election is also largely about the down ballot races. The local folks and MGA folks can ride this Hogan wave to victory, hopefully in some cases to defeat Democrats and build our numbers.

Here's the problem with blindly supporting Hogan. How do you ignore his record on guns and support him and not expect for our GOP assemblymen to carry on with the "common sense" gun bills? A message needs to be sent to them that one day Hogan will be gone, and that on a local level gun owners are an influential part of the electorate, and this red flag/bump stock bs ain't gonna fly.

I just don't know how you support Hogan overwhelmingly AND send that message. Despite what the MUHHH SOCIALIST screamers here say, the MGA is where the sausage is made, not in the Governor's mansion.

I sent Hogan a message by not donating to his cause. Last election, I spent a great deal of money in support of him. This time, every time, they as for money, I make sure to send a reply explaining why I'm not supporting his campaign. I had an insider that I could talk to at the beginning of his first 4 years. After a few too many disappointments, my insider stopped responding to my inquiries. I won't cut off my nose to despite my face in this year's election. I know what my vote may mean in the overall outcome of the election, so I will vote for Hogan.

I happen to live in a very rich Republican area and I have done my best to beat the only Demwit holding office. Time will tell if the MGA will have the super majority it has had for many years. We need to break that stronghold and then work towards a majority. This will be the only way we can change Maryland. But I also think we will need a Republican in the Annapolis mansion too.

rob b · Oct 29, 2018

don't get me wrong I am all for Quinn out of the 3 but I don't see Quinn winning

East2West · Oct 29, 2018

Jim12 said:
1. Nobody's blindly supporting Hogan.

2. People can send him a message by... sending him a message. He has a website with email contact, a fb page, and a mailing address.

3. There are other issues besides 2A that affect people's lives and families diectly every day. Hogan is the hands down choice on those other issues that most people care about.

Polls say he's likely to win, but why put it all on the line based on a poll concocted by people who many people don't even trust enough to honestly answer their questions?

From reading here and other social media platforms as well as talking to people it sounds like a lot of people send him and their senators/delegates messages and phone calls.
Yet Hogan had a photo op with Moms Demand Action and not Maryland Shall Issue... How effective do you think those messages were?

Stoveman · Oct 29, 2018

j_h_smith said:
I sent Hogan a message by not donating to his cause. Last election, I spent a great deal of money in support of him.

Same. I put off several gun purchases to support him monetarily last time around. This time all my campaign $$ went to Wolf and Tim Walters.

SCV/SAR Patriot · Oct 29, 2018

East2West said:
Under new bill numbers in front of perhaps a more 2A friendly MGA with a few Dem seats having been flipped to the Republicans who have been emboldened by a Gov who rejected gun control and was still reelected.

Instead, even if those same seats are taken by the GOP the MDGOP leadership will be emboldened by a GOP Gov who passed anti-gun legislation and went on to win the state. They will be solidified in their belief that the gun owners of this state will take a hit and still support them.

Why anyone expects not to see more anti gun lunacy out of Annapolis the next 4 years with kipke, szeliga, and Hogan at the helm is beyond me. At least we have kavanaugh.

In the one debate, and I paraphrase. Hogan said Maryland has the most restrictive gun laws in the country but we need to do more.

SCV/SAR Patriot · Oct 29, 2018

44man said:
The funny thing is the majority of the republican reps last year voted with the dems for anti gun and anti constitutional bills and it seems we are supposed to forget and forgive and somehow believe that next session they won’t do the same.

Sooner or later there has to be a penalty for republicans voting anti gun and anti constitution, but I doubt it’s gonna happen in md

It seems the vast majority of republicans in md are actually rinos, be they politicians or not

And most republicans will blindly provide Hogan cover like they have been. It’s more about promoting the R brand than sticking to principles. I liked them better when they were “fighters”

ToolAA · Oct 29, 2018

I didn’t donate to the Hogan Campaign either but I feel great about donating to Craig Wolf.

Regarding Hogan inaction on 2a issues. The issue is not just Hogan. With possibly 65% of the voting public in Maryland, with either an Anti2a or no opinion on 2A matters what could he feasibly do. I think He could have vetoed the Bumpstock or Red Flag bills but to what end.

The best option for 2A support in Maryland is to continue to get more voters to support 2A friendly legislation and to at least create enough resistance in the MGA to block potential future vetos from being overturned.

klutch · Oct 29, 2018

ToolAA said:
I didn’t donate to the Hogan Campaign either but I feel great about donating to Craig Wolf.

Regarding Hogan inaction on 2a issues. The issue is not just Hogan. With possibly 65% of the voting public in Maryland, with either an Anti2a or no opinion on 2A matters what could he feasibly do. I think He could have vetoed the Bumpstock or Red Flag bills but to what end.

The best option for 2A support in Maryland is to continue to get more voters to support 2A friendly legislation and to at least create enough resistance in the MGA to block potential future vetos from being overturned.

.. And if you can't bring yourself to vote for Hogan, then consider Shawn Quinn!

Biggfoot44 · Oct 29, 2018

* Inaction * is very understable, and to be expected . In my previous incarnation as a Hogan Apologist I was all about backing him for doing nothing .

But switching to supporting, and signing with great fanfare anti- gun , anti- Constitution legislation is the line too far .

Jim12 · Oct 29, 2018

Yes, it will be soothing to have Gov. Jealous sign worse legislation to make his own mark, followed by tax increases and statewide Jealouscare for everyone! Yay!

Boy, that'll show Hogan who's in charge!

SCV/SAR Patriot · Oct 30, 2018

Jim12 said:
Yes, it will be soothing to have Gov. Jealous sign worse legislation to make his own mark, followed by tax increases and statewide Jealouscare for everyone! Yay!

Boy, that'll show Hogan who's in charge!

And there lies part of the problem, politicians forget WHO’s in charge and then you have some who are like cult followers to their candidate. They need to be held accountable for their actions at all times. Voters should be in charge of politicians destiny, don’t you agree?

eruby · Oct 30, 2018

Jim12 said:
Cost? .....

[Stanley Kowalski] And do you know what I say? Ha ha! Do you hear me? Ha ha ha! [/Stanley Kowalski]

GHW Bush has no one to blame for losing the election, but GHW Bush.

Ken Cuccinelli has no one to blame for losing the election, but Ken Cuccinelli.

Larry Hogan will have no one to blame for losing the election, but Larry Hogan.

44man · Oct 30, 2018

eruby said:
[Stanley Kowalski] And do you know what I say? Ha ha! Do you hear me? Ha ha ha! [/Stanley Kowalski]

GHW Bush has no one to blame for losing the election, but GHW Bush.

Ken Cuccinelli has no one to blame for losing the election, but Ken Cuccinelli.

Larry Hogan will have no one to blame for losing the election, but Larry Hogan.

You sir are a very wise man

If hogan loses because he failed to convince enough Marylanders that he was the best candidate then he , and only he is to blame

And If hogan is relying on 2a supporters to get him votes then that’s a bad plan on his part

NatBoh · Oct 30, 2018

ToolAA said:
I didn’t donate to the Hogan Campaign either but I feel great about donating to Craig Wolf.

Regarding Hogan inaction on 2a issues. The issue is not just Hogan. With possibly 65% of the voting public in Maryland, with either an Anti2a or no opinion on 2A matters what could he feasibly do. I think He could have vetoed the Bumpstock or Red Flag bills but to what end.

The best option for 2A support in Maryland is to continue to get more voters to support 2A friendly legislation and to at least create enough resistance in the MGA to block potential future vetos from being overturned.

The end that would have resulted from Hogan vetoing those bills would be honoring his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution!

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