redeemed.man
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You CAN transport unloaded in an enclosed holster. The out of reach in the vehicle stuff is made up by MSP, it's not the law, although it may keep you from getting shot.
Penalty For Unauthorized Carry?
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- Mar 8, 2013
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Most excellent post!
What in God's name are you saying? LOL
Leosa card holders need to adhere to the permit carry laws of the state that leosa carrier is visiting. They are not exempt from any laws which will vary from state to state.
1time
Ultimate Member
I'm saying you are wrong:
Although LEOSA preempts state and local laws, there are two exceptions:
The laws of that state
1. Permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property (such as bars, private clubs, amusement parks, etc.)
2. Prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any state or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.
Edited to add, permit holder may carry where people under Leosa may not. An example is school zones, where some states exempt permit holders, Leosa is not exempt.
If one is willing to break the law regardless of consequences, this person is not much better than the thugs in Baltimore. Maybe I should shop paying taxes because I think Social Security and Obamacare is socialism and unconstitutional too.
Oh brother.....
May those chains of bondage not weigh too heavily on you.
Than you, been a long time but I think that's what I read somewhere.
Show me.
How about DRIVING through Md? I remove magazine and put it in my glove comp and put pistol in console. Truck so trunk isn't an option.
Am I GTG?
Driving through Maryland since you would possibly be transporting outside of the Maryland allowable reasons, I would transport according to FOPA. Unloaded and locked in a case in the trunk if one is available otherwise behind the seat in the truck.
Outta Air
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If one is willing to break the law regardless of consequences, this person is not much better than the thugs in Baltimore. Maybe I should shop paying taxes because I think Social Security and Obamacare is socialism and unconstitutional too.
Social Security is not but definitely not being used as was intended or designed, but Obamacare? Yeah, I think so too. Not just because #1, no republicans voted on it, #2, it was done unilaterally, and #3, it was started in the House of Representatives then went to Senate rather than vice versa. Socialism...just ask the vets, thank you!!! Just MVHO
Biggfoot44
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For Target Grade's sub discussion , the big issue is not so much the * method* of transport, but the specific destination being transported TO . For transport Within Maryland , you must be going to/ from one of the approved destinations listed in 4-203 , transporting randomly just because is No Bueno . If it is true a case of going Through Maryland ( ie driving from Pa to Va , and not having a destination in Md ) then FOPA would apply . FOPA mandated transport modes are significantly more explicit than Maryland's own .
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When actual criminals are cought carrying , the carry related charges are often negotiated away to get a plea for the actual underling criminal activity . Otherwise law abiding citizens who are only violating 4-203 end up subject to being prosecuted for 4-203 . Even if actual sentence is fine and probation, it becomes Prohibiting because of the Potential penalty.
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Blaster is correct about the TPM on LEOSA.
The big gap in LEOSA is former Ofc in good standing and good health, who left the field for a career change or whatever with less than 10yr of cumulative service . Maryland is actually more flexible on years of service, but throws their own twist by having a shelf life for initially applying .
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When actual criminals are cought carrying , the carry related charges are often negotiated away to get a plea for the actual underling criminal activity . Otherwise law abiding citizens who are only violating 4-203 end up subject to being prosecuted for 4-203 . Even if actual sentence is fine and probation, it becomes Prohibiting because of the Potential penalty.
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Blaster is correct about the TPM on LEOSA.
The big gap in LEOSA is former Ofc in good standing and good health, who left the field for a career change or whatever with less than 10yr of cumulative service . Maryland is actually more flexible on years of service, but throws their own twist by having a shelf life for initially applying .
Ideal Paradigm
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How about DRIVING through Md? I remove magazine and put it in my glove comp and put pistol in console. Truck so trunk isn't an option.
Am I GTG?
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe the majority of your questions are answered here:
Guide to Interstate Firearms Transport
Hope that helps.
1time
Ultimate Member
I gave you the excerpt. Here is a link.
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:18 section:926C edition:prelim)
So......
This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that-
(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or
(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.
Explain to me like a 3rd grader what's this means. Because I read it doesn't allow the carrier to be able to carry in those places which are prohibited in that state.
Where is it enumerated that leosa cannot carry in any gun free zones in the United States where a local citizen may?
Because other than listed above, your link just explains who is covered under leosa.
Suffice it to say if you're carrying under leosa, if you don't carry where it's legally prohibited (meaning where those no gun signs carry the weight of law), then you are good to go.
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TheRussianNightmare
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- Sep 17, 2012
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If one is willing to break the law regardless of consequences, this person is not much better than the thugs in Baltimore. Maybe I should shop paying taxes because I think Social Security and Obamacare is socialism and unconstitutional too.
Sorry, the NATURAL law of self defense supersedes ANY law made by man. I will do what I think necessary for protection regardless of the possible consequences. If I end up in a cage because of it, so be it.
The OP's friend's intent seems to be ONLY personal protection, and self defense. That is probably NOT the intent (armed robberies, carjacking, murder, etc.) of the "Baltimore thug". I see a huge difference there.
- Feb 19, 2013
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That definition changes state to state as well. Gun laws / 50 are a real cluster ..
In Utah a Glock with full magazine, condition 3 is considered unloaded. Bet that wouldn't be the same in Maryland.
1time
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What is says is that LEOSA exempts eligible people from state and local laws, with 2 exceptions.
The state/local gov is still allowed to ban carry on thier property.
Private people are still allowed to ban carry on their private property.
The last I payed attention, it was illegal to conceal carry in a bar in Virginia. LEOSA exempts qualified people from that law. However, a owner of a bar is still allowed to ban carry, and LEOSA does not exempt that.
There is more to the law and some amendments also. You can't be prohibited under federal law. You can be under the influence of drugs/alcohol.
One amendment exempted qualified people from ammo restrictions. The mag capacity limits are not exempted.
One that you may be confusing is that carry used to be banned in federal parks. The amendment did not make it legal or illegal. It said that in federal parks, it will be up to the state to allow or not based on their state carry laws.
There is no federal law that says that LEOSA doesn't allow conceal carry but local permit holders may.
Speaking of public schools, they are gov property and the gov can ban carry on gov property. There are states that don't allow carry on school property. Some of them have an exemption for people that have a concealed carry permit. LEOSA is not a conceal carry permit and would not apply to the exemption.
There is a lot to LEOSA. It is not very restrictive but it is not unrestricted either. NRA-ILA has a lot of info on it.
This thread reminds me of any given thread on any given day on MDS
redeemed.man
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I cited MSP for a reason as my post was referring to Maryland law.
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