Why is Maryland so anti-gun?

thomfantomas · Jan 10, 2014

but you're on point it is an inner city issue...let the counties be ccw ......I can give a f*** less about Baltimore city it's Godforsaken

Doobie · Jan 10, 2014

BeoBill said:
I think you'll find the western part of the state quite different.

Brooklyn · Jan 10, 2014

Inigoes said:
Racism of the elected elite.

They fear a black man with a gun.

Nosense.

Nothing in Maryland history like the civil war, the Klan, or the king riots could ever suggest such a thing. I am shocked and disappoited that years of whitewash have not put such evil rumors to rest.

And I was never here.

JettaRed · Jan 10, 2014

Half-cocked said:
Maryland is, to a large extent, a matrix of people:
- dependent or reliant on government for protection and/or sustinence.
- raised in gentrified subcultures to whom self-reliance and independence is a foreign concept.
- indoctrinated from childhood to believe that subservience to government authority is natural.
- who work within the government/contractor complex and thus subject to the paradigm that people outside government need to be 'governed', rather than served.

I agree with everything but your last point. That's utter ********! Those of us working in the government are no different than the general population--we are not politicians. It's certain politicians that are the problem.

Watch Innocents Betrayed, if you haven't already.

http://youtu.be/NN0vkSO9n8Y

Benanov · Jan 10, 2014

Brooklyn said:
Nothing in Maryland history like the civil war, the Klan, or the king riots could ever suggest such a thing. I am shocked and disappoited that years of whitewash have not put such evil rumors to rest.

Sadly, no amount of whitewashing will hide that amount of blood on the walls.

Liberal post-racialism might have a chance, though.

jonnyl · Jan 10, 2014

Small size overall state with all of Baltimore and a large portion of the DC suburbs. Large cities tend to be more liberal/anti gun. There aren't enough of us to balance that (or enough who pay attention and actually vote).

Brooklyn · Jan 10, 2014

Benanov said:
Sadly, no amount of whitewashing will hide that amount of blood on the walls.

Liberal post-racialism might have a chance, though.

Either you missed my sarcasim or I missed yours. A look at voting records suggest that the whitewash has worked..

It was not the solid Democratic south that led the charge. And Lincoln was the first Rebubilcan. Today the D party is know for it minority friendly views and yet not one of their policies has helped minorities. Say what you will about the modern Republican party ( and you will truth notwithstanding) the party of Lincoln actually helped minorities at least then. Nor can one discount the role of Democrats from the south opposing the civil rights act.

So no whitewash works just fine... the question is why.

deesly1 · Jan 10, 2014

Okay! before I get the, living in the past rhetoric, hear me completely out. The Black american family has been destroyed from this countries inception. ( I am not saying this is an excuse for behavior but it is the reason) The inner cities of America are the way they are due to institutional racism. During Jim Crow which, existed in every sourthen state in this country, including Maryland, the Black family was intact. Once the civil rights hit in the late 1950's and 1960's, the black family structure was intact. In the early 70's the Black family in the city was escaping to the suburbs and growing. Drugs in the form of Herion were allowed to infiltrate the inner city,along with unemployement, destroyed the black family. Now what you see are the fruits of that labor. I say this as an explaination not to point fingers or blame. However this problem will get worse and because we live in the same nation it will spread. So unless the cancer is fixed it will infiltrate future generations. So as they take all rights away for the fear of the black man every one's rights will get caught up in the wash. It is about control and the focus on controlling the masses by dangling the fear of the big black (Latino, Arhab) criminial.

Oh an excuse my spelling!

KMK1862 · Jan 10, 2014

Because of the demographics and votes. Generally, usually, normally, blue=anti-2A stance. To be fair, there are some pro 2A blue folks.

Generally, usually, normally, red=pro 2A stance.

Look at a map of Maryland during the last election, or the one before that, and the one prior to that one. If MD's blue was any darker, we'd be black.

It's a more or less a one party state, run sadly, by the blue party.

deesly1 · Jan 10, 2014

KMK1862 said:
Because of the demographics and votes. Generally, usually, normally, blue=anti-2A stance. To be fair, there are some pro 2A blue folks.

Generally, usually, normally, red=pro 2A stance.

Look at a map of Maryland during the last election, or the one before that, and the one prior to that one. If MD's blue was any darker, we'd be black.

It's a more or less a one party state, run sadly, by the blue party.

I agree

Brooklyn · Jan 10, 2014

deesly1 said:
Okay! before I get the, living in the past rhetoric, hear me completely out. The Black american family has been destroyed from this countries inception. ( I am not saying this is an excuse for behavior but it is the reason) The inner cities of America are the way they are due to institutional racism. During Jim Crow which, existed in every sourthen state in this country, including Maryland, the Black family was intact. Once the civil rights hit in the late 1950's and 1960's, the black family structure was intact. In the early 70's the Black family in the city was escaping to the suburbs and growing. Drugs in the form of Herion were allowed to infiltrate the inner city,along with unemployement, destroyed the black family. Now what you see are the fruits of that labor. I say this as an explaination not to point fingers or blame. However this problem will get worse and because we live in the same nation it will spread. So unless the cancer is fixed it will infiltrate future generations. So as they take all rights away for the fear of the black man every one's rights will get caught up in the wash. It is about control and the focus on controlling the masses by dangling the fear of the big black (Latino, Arhab) criminial.

Oh an excuse my spelling!

There is evidence that the black family was stronger during Jim Crow than after the effects of Johnsons war on poverty. I make no causal claim... I have no idea...

But it is both tragic and hard to explain..

Much work has been done on this, but much has been surpressed as well. The black community is going to have to ask of itself some hard questions. The rest of us can only stand and watch and if asked we can help.... but this must be done by the community itself. These answers are not ours to give. We hold no secret.. no cure....

Blame may make you feel better....but it will solve nothing... I hope the community starts to ask the hard questions. I will help if I can and if asked... but its not my place to play ( pardon the experesion) white knight.

I belive the black community is strong enough to right itself and built a strong base-- even save Baltimore.. what I do not know is when they will start and if it will be in time...

Bob A · Jan 10, 2014

Training.

My granddaughter is taking a course in Criminal Justice at MC. The instructor, ex-LEO, asked the class how many would be dismayed if he came to class open carrying. More than half the hands shot up.

So he asks why?

"I'd be afraid you'd snap and start shooting up the classroom" was a typical response. He responds that he's carried a firearm for decades as a LEO; would they not assume he's not a threat?

Apparently not.

Please note that they have been conditioned into a state of fear of firearms.

Now, my oldest daughter attended Blair HS in her youth; they had a rifle team on site. Presumably they were taught firearm safety. She is not terrified at the thought of guns.

So, I say again; it's training. Kids have been trained to fear these things, and emphatically NOT trained in safety procedures. Eddie Eagle training could be provided free to every middle and high school in the state, but this is not desired; someone in charge likes the fear. Or else, someone in charge is also scared.

I dislike having children taught by frightened ignoramuses; I dislike even more having to over-pay for it through my tax bill.

It's not race; it's fear and stupidity that are the problems.

Doctor_M · Jan 10, 2014

Half-cocked said:
Maryland is, to a large extent, a matrix of people:
- dependent or reliant on government for protection and/or sustinence.
- raised in gentrified subcultures to whom self-reliance and independence is a foreign concept.
- indoctrinated from childhood to believe that subservience to government authority is natural.
- who work within the government/contractor complex and thus subject to the paradigm that people outside government need to be 'governed', rather than served.

This... plus highly urban. PA, VA, WVA are all much more rural in nature.

mrdave2010 · Jan 10, 2014

Do you think there was less outrage over all the anti gun stuff, specifically the need for that stupid hand gun license, because it didn't f over active military??? I think these twisted politicians knew that unless they had a "military needs an id as a license(HQL)" they would get outrage from the significant portion of md population that is military. I feel like they are easing in stricter and stricter policies and people are sleeping as it happens, and the people that are generally pretty active about not getting f'ed over were accommodated in order to prevent mass opposition. I say this as a guy that is active, I'm just outraged that other shooters I work with consider it not an issue since their id works.

babalou · Jan 10, 2014

JettaRed said:
I agree with everything but your last point. That's utter ********! Those of us working in the government are no different than the general population--we are not politicians. It's certain politicians that are the problem.

Watch Innocents Betrayed, if you haven't already.

http://youtu.be/NN0vkSO9n8Y

Most Gubbment workers I know are corporatists just like Maobama. All they look at is their damn GS sheets and getting stuff from us. They do not want Gubbment to shrink and to get a job where performance is key, not getting a raise based on lowest common denominator since raises are not based on performance. Most new jobs in the jobs reports are with the gubbment. I have a cousin that works for an agency off 123 in VA- not an agent. Typical liberal. Why do you think VA went blue? Northern VA. Just like MD- most of MD is red. Since they got rid of the one senator from each county representation, we have been screwed.

WeaponsCollector · Jan 10, 2014

I think much of Maryland's senseless gun laws exist thanks to urban areas like PG county, Baltimore, etc. with dense populations and high levels of crime thanks to gangs and "thug culture" fueled by the war on drugs.

cyrano_oneone · Jan 10, 2014

what I was going to say, but you said it better.

Docster · Jan 10, 2014

Bob A said:
Training.

My granddaughter is taking a course in Criminal Justice at MC. The instructor, ex-LEO, asked the class how many would be dismayed if he came to class open carrying. More than half the hands shot up.

So he asks why?

"I'd be afraid you'd snap and start shooting up the classroom" was a typical response. He responds that he's carried a firearm for decades as a LEO; would they not assume he's not a threat?

Apparently not.

Please note that they have been conditioned into a state of fear of firearms.

Now, my oldest daughter attended Blair HS in her youth; they had a rifle team on site. Presumably they were taught firearm safety. She is not terrified at the thought of guns.

So, I say again; it's training. Kids have been trained to fear these things, and emphatically NOT trained in safety procedures. Eddie Eagle training could be provided free to every middle and high school in the state, but this is not desired; someone in charge likes the fear. Or else, someone in charge is also scared.

I dislike having children taught by frightened ignoramuses; I dislike even more having to over-pay for it through my tax bill.

It's not race; it's fear and stupidity that are the problems.

That's not so much training as it is socialization. People don't have to be trained to be comfortable letting others handle weapons or be around weapons. Hoplophobia is a learned behavior. Those who grow up around guns don't fear them nearly as much as those that haven't and have to learn about guns through TV and Hollywood.

tdt91 · Jan 10, 2014

Geographically MD is more conservative than not. The problem lies in the cities like many others. The population is so large in PG Co. Mont Co. and balto city that the rest of the voting public is voiceless.
MD is so dependant on Fed gov employee's, get it yet. If the Federal stuff wasn't here right now this state would be done and over with
My wife grew up here and when she was in school getting close to the young age of 18 the government teacher told the class that they should all register as Democrates when they turn 18. Now you take a kid that has parents that don't vote ( like most people ) and never talk about politics they are going to do what that teacher says. They don't know any better. She did register but never voted. Then I got a hold of her a straighted things out.

They old democrate party that was really for the people are no more. I don't really have any confidence in the rebublicans but thats all we really have. Some say go Libitairian but all that does is help the dems. Yeah I know you libitairians hate hearing it but it's true.

tball · Jan 10, 2014

If a city has a high crime and murder rate; instead of doing something about the crime, it is easier to blame guns. It is easier to go after law abiding citizens than it is to go after criminals. They arrest criminals, then either can't convict them or let them plead to a lesser crime and they get out early. Someone who has a criminal record cannot hope to get a job, so they continue to commit crimes. If you can't keep drugs out of the hands of criminals, you won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Now they are talking about legalizing drugs, maybe they should consider legalizing guns! It has already been proven that more guns leads to less crime. Don't mess with old people. That little old lady is probably packing.

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