AR15 and AK47

Applehd · Nov 16, 2019

I am not the whistleblower... but I do have first hand knowledge of BCA... wouldn't sh!t on the best part. YMMV.

pp55ftw · Nov 16, 2019

rsupreme said:
Okay, so a proper AK47 is banned. VZ may or may not be better, but it is not an AK47. Oh well.

As for AR, what's a good complete build that won't break the bank? I wanted a PSA but not sure if they have any MD compliant?

You are going to be out of luck for a complete build. Most manufacturers don't want to jump through the hoops of making a specific HBAR model just for one state.

However, if you are going PSA, their lowers are cheap-get that (they transfer as "other", not a rifle) and then get one of their pistol build kits (lower parts kit, buffer and "brace" of choice, and complete upper of choice). Its very affordable. Then its just a few minutes of assembly at home with youtube/minimal tools, or go to a gunsmith and you should be good to go. No need to worry about HBAR at all.

WildWeasel · Nov 17, 2019

https://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/stag-arms-maryland-legal-rifles-uppers/#axzz65TzD92C8

Not sure about Stag as far as quality goes, but that's pretty solid of them.

Otherwise I have several Rock River AR 'mutts' that I have no issues with; more expensive but they have several HBAR models from the factory.

vgplayer · Nov 17, 2019

Straightbolt said:
Bear Creek has pretty reasonable reviews ...pretty sure it's not pot metal

From their web site :

Also known to be raided by ICE https://www.ammoland.com/2019/02/ice-detains-30-people-after-raids-on-bear-creek-arsenal/

rsupreme · Nov 17, 2019

How can this store sell AK47s? Are they SBR? I know some are pistol.

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ak-47-74-rifles.html

Pinecone · Nov 17, 2019

Biggfoot44 said:
I know , Md is the twilight zone .

FSA says all variations of Kalashnikov .
Various rifles that would seem on their face to be included , are listed on the Approved List .

Don't try to make sense of it . If somthing on the Approved List strikes your fancy , buy it now , bef4 MSP changes their minds again .

Since the list is not legally binding, even if you bought something that MSP said was legal, but it was later determined to not be legal, you could have some issues.

It is like the AR if not 5.56 being legal. FSA says AR-15. It does not specify caliber. Other rifles (Mini-14 for one) DO specify caliber.

Pinecone · Nov 17, 2019

rsupreme said:
How can this store sell AK47s? Are they SBR? I know some are pistol.

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ak-47-74-rifles.html

They don't sell them to MD residents.

Atlantic is also a distributor. So they sell those to FFLs in other states, where they may be legally sold to residents of other states.

rsupreme · Nov 17, 2019

Oh. That is disappointing.

Btw, pinecone... That name rings a bell. Were you ever active on bimmerfest or roadfly?

rsupreme · Nov 17, 2019

I think I might have this thing figured out now. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

AR-15:
Illegal to purchase or build in MD now unless A) has heavy barrel, or B) comes in pistol or SBR form.

AK-47:
Illegal to purchase or build in MD now unless it comes in pistol or SBR form.

For both, can purchase pistol and put a brace on without issue.
For both, can modify pistol into SBR if first apply using ATF NFA Form 1 (use Form 4 to purchase if already SBR). Then if wish to transport away from current location, must apply with Form 20 and do so annually.

SLR is legal but is not an AK. vz 58 is also legal but is not an AK (looks like one externally but has different internals).

Does that sum it up correctly?

Bob A · Nov 17, 2019

A pre-2013 style AR can legally be built on an AR lower receiver that was purchased before October 1 2013. After that date, ARs must be HBAR if built or purchased in rifle configuration. A lower receiver that was purchased as "O" (for "other") can be built into a pistol or a rifle. If a rifle build, it has to be HBAR, and once built as a rifle, cannot be legally reconfigured as a pistol. However, if the receiver is first built as a pistol, it may legally be converted into a (HBAR) rifle, and back again into a psitol, if you wish.

AK-style rifles are illegal to purchase since 10/1/2013, in 7.62x39. Other calibers are not affected by the 2013 legislation.

You can continue to own them legally if you owned them before 10/1/2013. (I believe "ownership" may also include rifles purchased/paid for before that date, but perhaps not received until after 10/1/2013. The failure of MSP to return "Not Disapproved" paperwork for months after submission created a nightmare situation in MD at the time.)

I believe the above to be true at the present moment. What may change after the GA goes into session in January is unknowable, and probably will be absurd, incomprehensible in the usual GA legislative style, and flagrantly unconstitutional. Plan ahead, and prepare to present yourself in Annapolis this coming legislative season.

IX-3 · Nov 18, 2019

rsupreme said:
I think I might have this thing figured out now. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

AR-15:
Illegal to purchase or build in MD now unless A) has heavy barrel, or B) comes in pistol or SBR form.

AK-47:
Illegal to purchase or build in MD now unless it comes in pistol or SBR form.

For both, can purchase pistol and put a brace on without issue.
For both, can modify pistol into SBR if first apply using ATF NFA Form 1 (use Form 4 to purchase if already SBR). Then if wish to transport away from current location, must apply with Form 20 and do so annually.

SLR is legal but is not an AK. vz 58 is also legal but is not an AK (looks like one externally but has different internals).

Does that sum it up correctly?

Regarding making AK pistols into a SBR you can not take an AK pistol and make it an SBR if it would be a copy of a banned rifle. Turning something like a Century Arms C39V2 pistol or Arsenal SAM7K pistol into a SBR will be denied by the ATF under Maryland’s copycat law since both rifle versions are banned. I unfortunately learned that after spending $900 on my C39V2 pistol. Draco pistols and other varieties that don’t have a rifle version should be fine but I haven’t bought a Draco yet to try it on.

Trust me it’s no fun buying a gun, filling out the paperwork, having fingerprints taken, spending $200, and waiting weeks only to get denied because it would be a copycat and then waiting weeks for a refund.

Apd09 · Nov 21, 2019

Biggfoot44 said:
I know , Md is the twilight zone .

FSA says all variations of Kalashnikov .
Various rifles that would seem on their face to be included , are listed on the Approved List .

Don't try to make sense of it . If somthing on the Approved List strikes your fancy , buy it now , bef4 MSP changes their minds again .

According to my local shop, this is 100% MD legal.

https://www.centuryarms.com/vska-wood-7-62-x-39.html

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John from MD · Nov 21, 2019

It's made by Century. I'd take a pass.

Apd09 · Nov 21, 2019

John from MD said:
It's made by Century. I'd take a pass.

It passed a 5,000 round test and is the v2 of the rifle. The original was garbage, but this version appears to have fixed the issues.
And for us in MD, it’s at least an option.

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John from MD · Nov 21, 2019

I always hated being a test pilot and that goes for guns as well. I would have to see some really good reviews by owners before getting serious.

rsupreme · Nov 21, 2019

Interesting. I wonder what qualities make it legal.

Sirex · Nov 22, 2019

Apd09 said:
It passed a 5,000 round test and is the v2 of the rifle. The original was garbage, but this version appears to have fixed the issues.
And for us in MD, it’s at least an option.

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I can't see that being MD legal, since the C39, Ras47, Zastava Paps, and Wasrs are banned. All Century offerings. I could be wrong, but makes no sense.

Sirex · Nov 22, 2019

Also, for all you non-operators out there, here is a scientific comparison between the AK47 and AR15 by a now retired expert.

https://youtu.be/1xnb8w2zHS4

Ammo Jon · Nov 22, 2019

This thread makes me want to build an AK pistol and brace it. Any well known brands along the lines of Ruger, Colt, etc for AKs?

Apd09 · Nov 22, 2019

Sirex said:
I can't see that being MD legal, since the C39, Ras47, Zastava Paps, and Wasrs are banned. All Century offerings. I could be wrong, but makes no sense.

I’ll be back in the shop sometime in the next few days and will post more info. What I’m recalling from the conversation the other day is that none of the parts are interchangeable with the banned firearms so therefore it’s not considered a clone.
But I’ll confirm info and reply around mid next week.

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