Blatant Anti-Gun Viewpoint Discrimination

CrabcakesAndFootball · Mar 15, 2018

This is egregious. A public school principal removes pro-2A student from campus. And the school district doubles-down and supports the principal. This cannot stand.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-with-pro-gun-sign-escorted-off-campus-during

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Mar 15, 2018

Not surprising...academia...whether local or university level are freedom speech exclusion zones. Only politically (Leftist) approved speech and opinions are allowed.

MDFF2008 · Mar 15, 2018

This really needs to be made to blow up.

OrbitalEllipses · Mar 15, 2018

Eh, there's no 1st Amendment protection in public schools is there? I believe the court has held as such in the past.

DC-W · Mar 15, 2018

Not at all surprising that this happened in MN.
That student would be more than welcome at any Patriot Picket event.

EL1227 · Mar 15, 2018

Where's my stamp ?

Wikipedia - School speech (First Amendment)

In the landmark decision Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, the U.S. Supreme Court formally recognized that students do not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate".

CrabcakesAndFootball · Mar 15, 2018

OrbitalEllipses said:
Eh, there's no 1st Amendment protection in public schools is there? I believe the court has held as such in the past.

I do recall a holding to that effect in the context of Vietnam protests. But this strikes me as a total different animal. They singled out and excluded a student with a particular viewpoint while allowing other students to engage in First Amendment activity. Its not the case that they banned all signs/protests.

Dollars to donuts this principal is deep-sixing commie dribble from his facebook page at this minute.

StantonCree · Mar 15, 2018

He wasn’t removed for his beliefs, other students held Pro 2A signs. He was removed because his sign was not submitted for review and my guess is they thought it was to inflammatory and would cause a school disruption.

Other students with pro 2A signs, that were reviewed, were allowed to picket

pbharvey · Mar 15, 2018

The New Prague High School student held up a sign reading “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” on Wednesday before being escorted off campus by his principal

Did the principal take this as a threat?

CrabcakesAndFootball · Mar 15, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
He wasn’t removed for his beliefs, other students held Pro 2A signs. He was removed because his sign was not submitted for review and my guess is they thought it was to inflammatory and would cause a school disruption.

Other students with pro 2A signs, that were reviewed, were allowed to picket

0% chance they kick him out if he has a non-reviewed sign that states some leftist line. If he sues, I am confident his lawyers will uncover numerous instances of that exact scenario playing out.

StantonCree · Mar 15, 2018

CrabcakesAndFootball said:
0% chance they kick him out if he has a non-reviewed sign that states some leftist line. If he sues, I am confident his lawyers will uncover numerous instances of that exact scenario playing out.

Possibility but let’s not cry wolf like 99% of this forum did with the nut job blonde chick who got “Fired for her CCW” when in actuality she was a crappy employee with a violent boyfriend who endangered coworkers.

Something tells me her and this kid ain’t our Rosa Parks

zoostation · Mar 15, 2018

First question, did the other kids follow the rules and submit their signs in advance? The school district says they were allowing pro-2A signs too as long as they played by the same rules everyone had to follow. The presence of students with "arm our teachers" signs seems to support the school's claim. It sounds to me like this is less of a case of suppressing 2A viewpoints and more of a case of someone who didn't follow the rules and now wants to play the oppression card. As I have said before, we need to think more critically about who we support in the pro-gun community. Otherwise we end up looking like fools and also divert resources from people who truly are being oppressed.

CrabcakesAndFootball · Mar 15, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
Possibility but let’s not cry wolf like 99% of this forum did with the nut job blonde chick who got “Fired for her CCW” when in actuality she was a crappy employee with a violent boyfriend who endangered coworkers.

Something tells me her and this kid ain’t our Rosa Parks

Fair enough. I am making assumptions, but I do have little doubt how this played out. Academia is riddled with lunacy.

StantonCree · Mar 15, 2018

CrabcakesAndFootball said:
Fair enough. I am making assumptions, but I do have little doubt how this played out. Academia is riddled with lunacy.

Can’t argue with your last sentence Vince Vaughn. I just prefer to get all the info before dropping my angry foot. I can tell you from lots of experience, rushing to judgement is how you end up looking like an idiot lol

MigraineMan · Mar 15, 2018

zoostation said:
First question, did the other kids follow the rules and submit their signs in advance? The school district says they were allowing pro-2A signs too as long as they played by the same rules everyone had to follow. The presence of students with "arm our teachers" signs seems to support the school's claim. It sounds to me like this is less of a case of suppressing 2A viewpoints and more of a case of someone who didn't follow the rules and now wants to play the oppression card. As I have said before, we need to think more critically about who we support in the pro-gun community. Otherwise we end up looking like fools and also divert resources from people who truly are being oppressed.

Honest observation - I'm not aware of 1A speech being subject to "approval" from employees of the State. Schools are public-access facilities - just went through a protracted explanation of that when Raskin held the "no adults" rally in a MoCo high school.

It's hard to argue the "disrupting normal school activities" position when the school was endorsing the walk-out ...

zoostation · Mar 15, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Honest observation - I'm not aware of 1A speech being subject to "approval" from employees of the State. Schools are public-access facilities - just went through a protracted explanation of that when Raskin held the "no adults" rally in a MoCo high school.

It's hard to argue the "disrupting normal school activities" position when the school was endorsing the walk-out ...

You may be right as far as the 1A violation is concerned and perhaps it should be addressed on those grounds. My point is that it doesn't appear to be discrimination against his views because they were pro-gun. Everyone in the 2A community, including a lot of the well-known bloggers and news sites, need to take a step back every time someone makes a "I was oppressed over my gun rights" claim and THINK before raising hell over something that doesn't warrant it.

Exuberon · Mar 15, 2018

This is not entirely surprising since the majority of schools, teachers, administrators and MSM are rife with folks of anti-2a leanings. However, I wonder what it will take for the kids, parents, teachers, and MSM to actually think about what are the root causes of these shootings?

Do some background and google checks into the personality traits and psychology of previous shooters. The vast majority of school shooters are youths which have been bullied, isolated, emasculated, and belittled from their classmates. They are also often from broken nuclear families, suffer social awkwardness, have mental development challenges (learning disabilities, autism spectrum, depression, etc) or have psychological issues. Many adults have failed them, ignored or minimized their concerns. Peers have shunned them. They feel powerless.

While some find the help needed, grow out of it or adapt; far too many others attempt or commit suicide. Some are enraged enough to attempt to regain some misguided power by obtaining firearms and seeking revenge. Where do they seek revenge? The schools. Where their teachers, councilors and peers bullied and marginalized them. I’m not condoning or excusing these mass murderers. It’s my thoughts on root-cause analysis.

Guns were a tool or symptom; not the cause of the rage and intent to kill. Banning or confiscating guns will not fix anything. Someone with intent will utilize the next available tool. Kids are typically short-sighted have little to no stake to gain or lose in this 2A fight while under 18. Yet, Kids do/repeat what others present. Moreover, guns are the “easy target”. Far easier than naming, blaming or taking responsibility for the true social injustices.

motorcoachdoug · Mar 16, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Honest observation - I'm not aware of 1A speech being subject to "approval" from employees of the State. Schools are public-access facilities - just went through a protracted explanation of that when Raskin held the "no adults" rally in a MoCo high school.

It's hard to argue the "disrupting normal school activities" position when the school was endorsing the walk-out ...

And the Question I have is did Ratskin break any state and or Federal law when he held his "Rally for students only" and not allow the public to attend by holding it in a public-access facility. Did Monkey Cnty school violate laws by letting him hold his "rally" for students only???

Biggfoot44 · Mar 16, 2018

You could argue Raskin was in the wrong, because that was in the nature of a public meeting , and not strictly school related .

But in MN , the yute would have to argue over the inherent process of prior approval , and not content related. ( Unless he can present evidence of other non- preapproved signage being allowed .

rascal · Mar 16, 2018

A majority of kids are pro second amendment. In fact study after study shows that support for gun bans, handgun bans, semi auto bans. is LOWEST among 20-30 cohort and climbs after that, only in a majority in the over 65 cohort. There is one single gun control metric where younger persons are more likely than older to support more extensive law, that is universal registration. On eight other other metrics, the are more pro second amendment than older persons.

The issue has to do with
a) staliniod/fascist "group-think" promoted by teachers on many civics subjects, who the science unanimously tells in scores of peer reviewed studies are WAY to the left of the mainstream.
b) the fact that my kids, and almost certainly yours, have been told that their family's gun ownership is highly confidential and private and not to signal in any way that a gun is in their home (as my MPD certified instructor reiterated many times).

Don't worry about engaging in schools, that is lose lose. In DC there are DCPS teachers handing out everytown material so bogus as to have been given four pinnochios by WaPo. Take your kid shooting. Take some select friends. Explain that

1) Every gun control group has said publically they "only" want background checks, when they are now all on record supporting bans
2) Every gun control group has said no one is going to take your guns, when they ALL every one support an Australian mode (mass confiscation)
3) Every gun control group is on record supporting DC in Heller, meaning even with background check, training, and a safe, citizens are prohibited

That their teachers are criticism the NRA, when in fact the ACLU and Planned parenthood are hardline no-compromise organizations. it is the job of civil rights/liberties organizations to be hardline. Because "compromises" on rights ALWAY result in increased lose of rights.

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