CMP 1911s update

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

j_h_smith said:
I'm out because I'm not a fan of the 1911. There.... I said it. I own one and have no reason to want to buy another.

But I thought you were involved in the challenge to MD’s assault weapons ban?

Orlando · Dec 13, 2017

I find it amazing that everyone knows these 1911's are all rattletraps and CMP hasnt even graded them yet :rolleyes:

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

Orlando · Dec 13, 2017

Direct quote from CMP Chief Operating Officer
"CMP 1911" is an FFL licensed business and CMP is not. We cannot transfer records from CMP to "CMP 1911". Everyone has a choice in this matter... Follow the purchasing rules as prescribed or don't purchase a 1911 from CMP 1911. Again, these rules are mandated by Congress and the United States Army and CMP 1911 has to follow to the letter

If you have a beef with the way things are being handled you are barking up the wrong tree , whine to the Army and Congress

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

Orlando said:
Direct quote from CMP Chief Operating Officer

"CMP 1911" is an FFL licensed business and CMP is not. We cannot transfer records from CMP to "CMP 1911". Everyone has a choice in this matter... Follow the purchasing rules as prescribed or don't purchase a 1911 from CMP 1911. Again, these rules are mandated by Congress and the United States Army and CMP 1911 has to follow to the letter

If you have a beef with the way things are being handled you are barking up the wrong tree , whine to the Army and Congress

False. The law says what the law says. You and they can argue all you want to try to back into your prior statement, but it is hogwash. I don’t know why you keep coming back to the Army. The Army has ZERO say in any of this. You keep asserting otherwise. You are wrong.

Plain and simple, this is “snowflake” policy.

And the CMP COO is completely full of crap.

iH8DemLibz · Dec 13, 2017

"CMP 1911"/01FFL shipping directly to a "C&R Holder"/03FFL is a much safer play than going with the convoluted plan they've laid out.

I'd love to be a fly on the CMP wall when they receive these 10,000 thoroughly screwed up packages.

They didn't fill this out correctly. They forgot to sign that. What does that word say, I can't quite make that out? NICS is down. NICS is up again, but we gotta put John Smith's order on hold. Cuzz seven other John Smith's got red flagged at NICS.

An already vetted 03FFL holder bypasses all of that garbage. They get our license and we get a 1911.

somd_mustangs · Dec 13, 2017

Orlando said:
Direct quote from CMP Chief Operating Officer
"CMP 1911" is an FFL licensed business and CMP is not. We cannot transfer records from CMP to "CMP 1911". Everyone has a choice in this matter... Follow the purchasing rules as prescribed or don't purchase a 1911 from CMP 1911. Again, these rules are mandated by Congress and the United States Army and CMP 1911 has to follow to the letter

If you have a beef with the way things are being handled you are barking up the wrong tree , whine to the Army and Congress

If CMP is a licensed FFL-01 business with an acquisition/disposition record book, then there's no legal reason they can't sell directly to an FFL-03 if it's legal in that state. Army can piss and moan all they want but CMP isn't breaking any law by doing that; and the Army is mandated by law to TRANSFER the pistols to "CMP 1911". The NICS check is stupid, they are sending it to an FFL-01 not the individual (can they sell to an FFL-02 or -07?).

In regard to the rattletrap statement - if the prelim pictures of the piles of pistols are any indication, than it's probably accurate.

Regardless, not much point in expending energy worrying about it, it'll play out the way it plays out.

bpm32 · Dec 13, 2017

It’s shocking this may happen at all. CMP’s persistence with a member of Congress is the only reason these guns aren’t staying in storage forever. If the military had its way, it would always be the status quo, no matter the cost. Unless you’ve seen it with your own eyes, you would not believe what the DoD will do to NOT change. It is massively risk averse and governed almost entirely by inertia. Every decision has to go through 50 people and it doesn’t matter if 49 people say yes.

With the rifles the world still made sense: the Army has been turning them over to CMP for a long time, so inertia kept them turning them over. With the pistols it’s a brand new process. What do they have to gain?—nothing. And what could they possibly lose?—a lot. I still can’t believe it’ll ever happen.

Blacksmith101 · Dec 14, 2017

The 1911's have been talked about on the CMP Forum for at least 2 years and it would not surprise me if none are shipped for another year. After a quick look this is the oldest post I found:
http://forums.thecmp.org/showpost.php?p=1383863&postcount=1

All the questions and issues being brought up here have been and are being discussed on the CMP Forums in detail. Here is a link to the main page of the CMP Forum and it is as easy to join and participate in as MD Shooters. Look in the ASK CMP section for multiple threads on 1911's:
http://forums.thecmp.org/

Blacksmith101 · Dec 24, 2017

Some additional information from Military.com. This is not CMP "official" but may prove helpful in understanding what is going on.
https://www.military.com/kitup/2017/12/14/new-information-out-army-surplus-1911-45-sales.html

rbird7282 · Dec 24, 2017

Biggest problem I see is that many FFL's won't provide the consumer with a signed copy of their FFL. They'd provide it to the CMP directly perhaps but not necessarily to the purchaser.

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iH8DemLibz · Dec 24, 2017

If every FFL in the country refused to give signed copies to purchasers, no one could purchase.

Then the FFLs could submit their own packages, buy valuable 1911s, and flip them in their brick and mortar stores.

The FFLs could provide signed copies to very close friends too. Those who walk in off the street are SOOL.

CMP's entire plan is subject to fraud and abuse.

Selling to 03s would eliminate the headaches and would be in keeping with the whole idea of collecting.

Abulg1972 · Dec 24, 2017

rbird7282 said:
Biggest problem I see is that many FFL's won't provide the consumer with a signed copy of their FFL. They'd provide it to the CMP directly perhaps but not necessarily to the purchaser.

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Why is that a problem? The BATFE maintains a website on which it publishes FFL information, which is updated monthly.

Blacksmith101 · Dec 24, 2017

iH8DemLibz said:
If every FFL in the country refused to give signed copies to purchasers, no one could purchase.

Then the FFLs could submit their own packages, buy valuable 1911s, and flip them in their brick and mortar stores.

The FFLs could provide signed copies to very close friends too. Those who walk in off the street are SOOL.

CMP's entire plan is subject to fraud and abuse.

Selling to 03s would eliminate the headaches and would be in keeping with the whole idea of collecting.

At one a year they will last a long time.

rseymorejr · Dec 24, 2017

iH8DemLibz said:
If every FFL in the country refused to give signed copies to purchasers, no one could purchase.

Then the FFLs could submit their own packages, buy valuable 1911s, and flip them in their brick and mortar stores.

The FFLs could provide signed copies to very close friends too. Those who walk in off the street are SOOL.

CMP's entire plan is subject to fraud and abuse.

Selling to 03s would eliminate the headaches and would be in keeping with the whole idea of collecting.

And then 1 FFL would decide to do it, charge $100 transfer fee and clean up. Until another one got in on the action, and then another and before you know it they would all be doing it for the regular price. It's exactly how the free market works.

iH8DemLibz · Dec 24, 2017

Blacksmith101 said:
At one a year they will last a long time.

How many FFLs in the entire country?

PS: On-line source shows 79,628 total FFLs. 46,000 01 Dealer FFLs and 8,800 07 Manufacturing FFLs.

10,000 applications are being accepted. 01s and 07s could easily take advantage of this program.

iH8DemLibz · Dec 24, 2017

rseymorejr said:
And then 1 FFL would decide to do it, charge $100 transfer fee and clean up. Until another one got in on the action, and then another and before you know it they would all be doing it for the regular price. It's exactly how the free market works.

Or they don't get flipped at all and stay in FFL private collections.

All the 03FFL people are saying is the US has firearm laws on the books. We submitted the paperwork and paid the money and jumped through the hoops for times like these. We didn't get 03s just to buy Russian and Turkish boat oars. Was hoping if enough folks talked about it and e-mailed CMP about it that they would reconsider.

Merry Christmas, Y'all.

rseymorejr · Dec 24, 2017

iH8DemLibz said:
Or they don't get flipped at all and stay in FFL private collections.

All the 03FFL people are saying is the US has firearm laws on the books. We submitted the paperwork and paid the money and jumped through the hoops for times like these. Was hoping if enough folks talked about it and e-mailed them about it that they would reconsider.

It would be nice if they honored the 03's.

Orlando · Dec 24, 2017

The BATF and the Army are pushing for the transferring through a type I FFL. Your FFL will email a copy of their license to CMP when you place your 1911 order to CMP, It's all very simple,
Everyone should be darned happy these are even being offered instead of going through Captain Crunch. If you don't like the way it's being handled then you can set this one out

iH8DemLibz · Dec 24, 2017

I can't find the answer on-line.

When was the last US Army contract 1911 produced?

It would have to be 1967 to make all US Army 1911s C&R eligible. Unless CMP can figure out manufacturing dates based on serial numbers. Can't imagine them taking on that nightmare though.

Maybe this is why CMP is going this non-03 route.

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