Retired police officer kills fellow movie-goer over texting dispute

Jack Ryan · Jan 15, 2014

Ban cranky old guys.

Straightshooter · Jan 15, 2014

Safetech said:
I was thinking the same thing.

Retired police officers are just as likely to suffer from Alzheimer's as anyone else.

Years ago, at the senior apartments a few blocks from me, two man had words about one of them sitting in his wheelchair in front of the other guy's mailbox.

Mailbox guy leaves, goes up to his apartment, comes back with a gun, and shoots the guy in the wheel chair dead. He then pushed him out of the way, got his mail, and went back to his apartment.

Turned out guy had Alzheimer's pretty bad.

I agree. I hope there's video from either in the lobby or parking lot cameras that will show weather he actually went to talk to a manager or did he go to his car and retrieve the handgun. Way too little info at this point to come to an intelligent verdict yet.

ryan_j · Jan 15, 2014

wilcam47 said:
I saw that video a couple years ago...and its still great!

If you watch some of the related videos, the little snot isn't apologetic at all. I'm sure he'll turn out just fine. :sad20:

Straightshooter · Jan 15, 2014

Jack Ryan said:
Ban cranky old guys.

I second the motion.

wilcam47 · Jan 15, 2014

ryan_j said:
If you watch some of the related videos, the little snot isn't apologetic at all. I'm sure he'll turn out just fine.

well once they leave school and out on their own if he continues down the same road someone with end up hurting him really bad or worse...

StantonCree · Jan 15, 2014

Didn't I get in an argument recently where I stated old white guys whipping out guns for minor shit is the scariest thing to an Anti and the guy told me that it doesn't happen??

Dan you around dan?

There's no live link video but the article speaks for itself?

<------gloating a little

wilcam47 · Jan 15, 2014

mpdc4511 said:
Didn't I get in an argument recently where I stated old white guys whipping out guns for minor shit is the scariest thing to an Anti and the guy told me that it doesn't happen??

Dan you around dan?

There's no live link video but the article speaks for itself?

<------gloating a little

It will be interesting to see how this ends...

Hopalong · Jan 15, 2014

Updated CNN article here.

Interesting developments (assuming the reporting is accurate):

1. The shooter appears to have had at least one past incident harassing someone texting at a movie theater. Not really enough to draw a conclusion, but it could point to dementia (given his age) or plain aggressive behavior.

2. The judge/DA denied him the protection of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law almost immediately. Putting aside the possibility of political pressure, this probably means that there isn't remotely enough evidence to support a self-defense situation.

3. The theater had a "No Guns" policy. Yeah, glad that worked out.

Not closing the book on this one yet, but it's not looking good for the shooter.

Fortunately, it's also not looking good for this case to be used in a gun control crusade. Shooting happened in a "Gun Free Zone", shooter was retired LE who appeared to be lawfully carrying (other than GFZ violation), and SYG doesn't apply. I expect much of the media hype to die soonly.

StantonCree · Jan 15, 2014

wilcam47 said:
It will be interesting to see how this ends...

Hahahahaha :lol2:

ryan_j · Jan 15, 2014

Hopalong said:
3. The theater had a "No Guns" policy. Yeah, glad that worked out.

The theater serves alcohol, so no guns allowed anyway per Florida law.

Hopalong · Jan 15, 2014

ryan_j said:
The theater serves alcohol, so no guns allowed anyway per Florida law.

Interesting. I wonder if alcohol was a factor? I've not seen it mentioned anywhere in the reporting.

MikeTF · Jan 15, 2014

ryan_j said:
The theater serves alcohol, so no guns allowed anyway per Florida law.

Florida may be like VA, you CAN go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and legally CCW, but you cannot have a single drink.

Jack Ryan · Jan 15, 2014

Any ideas why the shooter is shirtless under a bullet proof vest at his court appearance?

BTW, I think I saw side-boob. :lol:

ryan_j · Jan 15, 2014

MikeTF said:
Florida may be like VA, you CAN go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and legally CCW, but you cannot have a single drink.

Nope. Florida law is that if the establishment has a liquor license, no guns allowed where alcohol is served.

This theater is a "cinebistro" and people can eat and drink alcohol in the theater. They also have an age restriction.

This place is up the road from where one of my close colleagues lives.

MikeTF · Jan 15, 2014

ryan_j said:
Nope. Florida law is that if the establishment has a liquor license, no guns allowed where alcohol is served.

This theater is a "cinebistro" and people can eat and drink alcohol in the theater. They also have an age restriction.

This place is up the road from where one of my close colleagues lives.

Thanks! I learned something new. It just goes to show once again that we need to read up on the laws before we visit other states.

Zibner · Jan 15, 2014

WeaponsCollector said:
Just sickening. That story reads like a wet-dream for the gun grabbers.

Of course when they do start grabbing guns the x police officer who was a captain and worked security a bush gardens would be the last to have to give up his firearms.

ryan_j · Jan 15, 2014

MikeTF said:
Thanks! I learned something new. It just goes to show once again that we need to read up on the laws before we visit other states.

www.handgunlaw.us is my go-to source. Gary Slider (who posts here I believe?) does a bang up job!

Celtic159 · Jan 15, 2014

Florida law regarding alcohol.....

(12)No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

That reads to me that you can be in a place that serves alcohol, you just can't be at the bar.

ryan_j · Jan 15, 2014

Celtic159 said:
Florida law regarding alcohol.....

That reads to me that you can be in a place that serves alcohol, you just can't be at the bar.

In that particular theater, they serve alcohol in the auditorium. They have swivel tables. You can drink and eat while watching a movie.

http://cobbcinebistro.com/faq.php

Fishinblues · Jan 15, 2014

Just another reason to not trust the police. But then again they are above the law because they are the law, and only Uphold and adhere to the laws that they see fit.

He will probably get off due to being part of the "blue brotherhood" and an ex police chief.

People no longer trust the man. there are just way to many bad apples that get away with wrongs just because they carry a badge and a gun.

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