AGC 3 Gun Match - Sunday, September 22

GolfR · Sep 13, 2019

MEGARMS said:
These programs will be profitable eventually. That said, we are in the infancy stages of building these programs and there will be hick ups along the way.

There are thousands of dollars in start up costs that need to be recovered and we are trying to keep entry fees low in the beginning in an effort to attract new shooters and make up for the fact that we are not equipped to run a full 5 stage 3 gun event or 8 Course of Fire IDPA match. In addition, our main objective is to drive incremental range badge sales by attracting non badge holders to our facility. As such and in an effort to do this, badge holders will always be given a discount on their entry fees. This will be hard to measure, and the program probably won't get the credit for it that it deserves, but at the end of the day it does not matter as long as the AGC benefits.

So, no need to worry about these programs being good for the AGC. IMHO and that of many others, the Action Shooting program will be the best thing that has happened to the AGC in decades.

I can speak from my personal experience that it was the changes allowing steel shooting and beginning to host action shoots that convinced me to join. Thank you to all those who have fought to make these changes possible and for spending so much of your personal time to run events like those in this thread!

GoldGunsGirls · Sep 14, 2019

Another person here who votes with his dollars. I am a dedicated competitive shooter and travel around the country (and internationally) to shoot. I have not bothered with an AGC badge for the 5+ years I've lived in the area because there really was no value to me. The practice I need to do has been completely impossible at AGC - until now. I'm a card carrying member of 2 different AGC clubs, but not a range badge holder. I've been driving over to Elite in Manassas to practice, but hoping I can finally end my membership there.

I'm signed up for the 3 gun event and will probably be purchasing a range badge for 2020. I'm happy to loan out my shotgun as well to anyone on my squad (#3).

@MEGARMS - PM incoming. I might be able to help with getting a USPSA program started.

MEGARMS · Sep 14, 2019

GoldGunsGirls said:
@MEGARMS - PM incoming. I might be able to help with getting a USPSA program started.

This is excellent. We are looking for guys/gals who are experienced in the shooting sports to step up and take leadership roles within AGC Action Shooting. I only hope that when guys like you start to come and shoot with us that they are patient and understand that we are building something here. We have great foundation, but still have much growing to do. With the right crew in place, the learning curve wont be as steep and we can get on the road to greatness that much faster.

MEGARMS · Sep 16, 2019

Last call to all AGC Range Badge holders (and anybody else for that matter). We have 4 open slots left for the IDPA match this Saturday and 5 for the 3 Gun match on Sunday. My guess is that they will fill up within the next day or two. You can always register after the fact and get on the waitlist. It never fails that 5% - 10% are no shows and the wait listers get to shoot if they show up.

erwos · Sep 16, 2019

I signed up for the 3 gun match in squad 3. Never shot 3 gun before, but it was a good excuse to buy a shiny new shotgun for it.

I am with others in that if there are regular action pistol matches on Sundays, I will absolutely be grabbing a range badge.

Anyone happen to know the max range of the action bays?

ETA: also, round count, stage plans, etc.? Rules say no bimetal jacket - assuming that is actually the case?

erwos · Sep 16, 2019

MEGARMS said:
Five divisions are for scoring purposes only. All five shoot on the same squad together. Scores are compiled at the end based on what equipment you brought and an overall. The 2 gun guys normally always come out on top, because they don't shoot shotgun targets.

We operate under the Mid Atlantic Multi Gun Rules. Check it out here.

https://h9a5z8b6.stackpathcdn.com/w...8/10/Mid-Atlantic-Rules-version-2.23.2017.pdf

These are kinda odd rules. Heavy Metal doesn't require a pump gun? No explicit two gun rules? I don't think 3GN divisions are the be-all end-all, but I dunno, I'd advocate moving to them if it's possible.

MEGARMS · Sep 16, 2019

erwos said:
I signed up for the 3 gun match in squad 3. Never shot 3 gun before, but it was a good excuse to buy a shiny new shotgun for it.

I am with others in that if there are regular action pistol matches on Sundays, I will absolutely be grabbing a range badge.

Anyone happen to know the max range of the action bays?

ETA: also, round count, stage plans, etc.? Rules say no bimetal jacket - assuming that is actually the case?

Max Range - Approx 60 yards

Approx Round Count
100 rifle
100 pistol
50 bird shot
4 slugs

Bi Metal IS permitted

MEGARMS · Sep 16, 2019

erwos said:
These are kinda odd rules. Heavy Metal doesn't require a pump gun? No explicit two gun rules? I don't think 3GN divisions are the be-all end-all, but I dunno, I'd advocate moving to them if it's possible.

These are the rules that most of clubs in this area are using. Not sure why Heavy Metal doesn't require the use of a pump. Are you shooting heavy metal on Sunday?

As for 2 gun, we only added that division to give those without a shotgun a chance to experience the event. The rules for that are this. Shoot all shotgun targets with your pistol, with the exception of any aerials. Are you shooting 2 gun on Sunday?

I do not see us moving away from the Mid Atlantic Multi Gun rules anytime in the near future. Look forward to seeing you on Sunday.

erwos · Sep 17, 2019

I would say that I might have been inclined to shoot Heavy Metal if it had been pump shotgun only and I could be more competitive in it. As it is, I'm shooting Tac Scope, and was almost funneled into Open because my shotguns didn't quite meet the qualifications for the Tac divisions and the 2-gun definition (Open? Tac?) was nowhere to be found. I'm sorry if that sounded like a huge critique, I'm just trying to explain why it was confusing to me as a new 3 gun shooter who has a reasonable amount of experience with USPSA and IDPA.

Thanks for the round count and distances. My stuff should be fine for that.

MEGARMS · Sep 17, 2019

erwos said:
I would say that I might have been inclined to shoot Heavy Metal if it had been pump shotgun only and I could be more competitive in it. As it is, I'm shooting Tac Scope, and was almost funneled into Open because my shotguns didn't quite meet the qualifications for the Tac divisions and the 2-gun definition (Open? Tac?) was nowhere to be found. I'm sorry if that sounded like a huge critique, I'm just trying to explain why it was confusing to me as a new 3 gun shooter who has a reasonable amount of experience with USPSA and IDPA.

Thanks for the round count and distances. My stuff should be fine for that.

I apologize if I snapped back a bit and I know this is can be confusing, especially since it is hard for us to cover all of the bases (we are still learning). Please understand that most people on the sidelines have no idea what or how much goes into putting on these events. Everyone seems have an opinion and oftentimes an unqualified one, but very infrequently do those same folks step up and say I would like to get involved and help.

Everything we have done in setting up these matches is based on our experiences shooting and volunteering at other "club" 3 gun matches. We have seen what works well at this kind of match and what flat out sucks. This is not Peacemaker or any of the places that you see on the outdoor channel. Keep in mind that we expect 20%-25% of the shooters to be 3 gun virgins and another 20%-25% to be experienced veterans. The rest of us all fall right in the middle. Most of the 1st timers won't have the appropriate belt, magazine pouches, shotgun shell caddies, etc. This is totally fine because we want new shooters to come out and try 3 gun in a laid back environment where there are no prize tables and/or stress. All of that other stuff will follow once the hook is set firmly in their mouth.

All of that said, don't worry about being competitive at your first 3 gun match. In fact, we only have one Heavy Metal shooter registered so far. If you would really like to shoot in that division, then the worst you would finish is second place. As for two gun, there are only 4.

Again, thank you for the feedback about registration and I will see what we can do to clear up the confusion for before he next match.

erwos · Sep 17, 2019

No worries, man, and I absolutely appreciate the effort you and others are putting in. See you Sunday!

Ammo Jon · Sep 17, 2019

Nice to have some of our members from Rockville/Silver Spring up our way. Have a great time.

Bikebreath · Sep 17, 2019

MEGARMS, I signed up a couple days ago, for the very reasons you stated, it’s not competitive. I just like to come out and run through the paces with all three guns. I don’t see where I’m squadded yet, but it would be nice to be with another mdshooter, (assuming you have that power).

erwos · Sep 17, 2019

Bikebreath said:
MEGARMS, I signed up a couple days ago, for the very reasons you stated, it’s not competitive. I just like to come out and run through the paces with all three guns. I don’t see where I’m squadded yet, but it would be nice to be with another mdshooter, (assuming you have that power).

I'm in squad 3, with some of the Givati guys. Feel free to join me.

Bikebreath · Sep 17, 2019

erwos said:
I'm in squad 3, with some of the Givati guys. Feel free to join me.

I didn’t realize I was able to squad myself, but the way you phrased it gave it away. Now you’ll have one person shooting worse than you :lol2:

erwos · Sep 17, 2019

Bikebreath said:
I didn’t realize I was able to squad myself, but the way you phrased it gave it away. Now you’ll have one person shooting worse than you

Yeah, Practiscore does a particularly meh job with notifying on that, for whatever reason. What equipment division are you going to be in?

Bikebreath · Sep 17, 2019

erwos said:
Yeah, Practiscore does a particularly meh job with notifying on that, for whatever reason. What equipment division are you going to be in?

Same as you, Tac Scope. It’s my 6th 3-gun, (I think). I’m old and slow and really get a kick outta it. Sunday will be a funday.

GoldGunsGirls · Sep 22, 2019

Great match today! Thanks to the whole Action Shooting team and all the RO's who worked very hard in the 94 degree heat to kick off what I'm sure will be a fantastic practical shooting program at AGC.

erwos · Sep 22, 2019

Yes, absolutely excellent match, and kudos to the MD and RSOs who made it function so smoothly. Got the results up pretty fast, too!

Bikebreath · Sep 23, 2019

I had a good time!

I got to practice a rifle jam/clear/anger.

Man, that heat hurts an old man.

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