C&R forms - CLEO compliance - Front and back?

NattyBoh · Dec 16, 2019

I was talking to a guy at work about this and he said that he sent only his front copy to the CLEO of the c&R renewal... Do we need to copy the front and the back? OR just fill out a new form and leave the payment information blank?

BlueHeeler · Dec 16, 2019

The online pdf. has both ATF and CLEO versions of pages 1-4.

I filled out both and sent them to the appropriate places. I did not send the Instructions or Definitions pages.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/f...rearms-license-atf-form-531012531016/download

dementlr · Dec 16, 2019

For the renewal, I copied both sides prior to entering my payment details and sent it to the local CLEO.

dweaver · Dec 17, 2019

I copied front and back, just blacked out the payment info for the copy, and sent it to my CLEO.

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bpm32 · Dec 18, 2019

I always wondered what they do with these things. Does it go right into the shredder or do they waste time trying to figure out what it is?

Biggfoot44 · Dec 18, 2019

Mine was mailed back to me , saying they didn't want it .

IX-3 · Dec 18, 2019

bpm32 said:
I always wondered what they do with these things. Does it go right into the shredder or do they waste time trying to figure out what it is?

Some CLEO’s actually do read the ATF forms when you send them in. Mine sent me back a thank you letter when I submitted my SBR paperwork. I’m assuming he will probably do the same when I submit my C&R paperwork.

Bob A · Dec 19, 2019

I just hand them in at the local PD, explaining that it's merely informational; the Chief can circular file it if he wishes, there's no action required.

I've never heard anything back from them.

tallen702 · Dec 19, 2019

bpm32 said:
I always wondered what they do with these things. Does it go right into the shredder or do they waste time trying to figure out what it is?

Probably depends on what county you live in. I'm sure there's a file with my name on it as a "person of interest" in the Sheriff's office here in MoCo.

UAC_DeltaCompany · Jan 6, 2020

Not sure how relevant this is, but I believe its all contained in one PDF form now, and it automatically contains both copies for the ATF and CLEO. I'd send it all just to be sure.

Also, a question, I mailed my (first time) copies out a few days ago (already getting anxious haha), but I noticed there wasn't any spot for the security code for credit card payment. Anyone who has paid by credit card willing to confirm that its fine and put my mind at ease?

K31 · Jan 6, 2020

Biggfoot44 said:
Mine was mailed back to me , saying they didn't want it .

To whom did you send it?

Threeband · Jan 6, 2020

There's actually no way for anyone to ever confirm one way or another whether or not the form was actually sent in at all.

It's just like **** on a boar hog: they are merely a reflection of sorts of the actually functioning **** on a sow. Likewise, this C&R CLEO notification reflects the actual meaningful CLEO notification on the other (01/07 etc.) FFL applications.

In other words, because a CLEO notification is required for an 01 FFL (they will probably inspect the business premises, etc.), the requirement gets carried over to the 03 FFL form. Likewise, because a sow needs working **** to feed all those little piggies, the boar hog gets a decorative set which serves no purpose.

Likewise, no one actually knows who the CLEO is. You could send it to the Chief of County police, your sheriff, or the Superintendent of State Police, and hopefully none of them would actually care. I sent mine to my Sheriff, figuring he was most likely to shred it.

The moral of the story is, don't overthink it.

mac1_131 · Jan 6, 2020

Threeband said:
There's actually no way for anyone to ever confirm one way or another whether or not the form was actually sent in at all.

It's just like **** on a boar hog: they are merely a reflection of sorts of the actually functioning **** on a sow. Likewise, this C&R CLEO notification reflects the actual meaningful CLEO notification on the other (01/07 etc.) FFL applications.

In other words, because a CLEO notification is required for an 01 FFL (they will probably inspect the business premises, etc.), the requirement gets carried over to the 03 FFL form. Likewise, because a sow needs working **** to feed all those little piggies, the boar hog gets a decorative set which serves no purpose.

Likewise, no one actually knows who the CLEO is. You could send it to the Chief of County police, your sheriff, or the Superintendent of State Police, and hopefully none of them would actually care. I sent mine to my Sheriff, figuring he was most likely to shred it.

The moral of the story is, don't overthink it.

LOL you figured it out too...

Doctor_M · Jan 6, 2020

I wound up entering into a nice e-mail dialogue with the Sherriff DeWesse in Carroll County. Good guy.

I sent both sides.

Threeband · Jan 6, 2020

mac1_131 said:
LOL you figured it out too...

Years ago.

lazarus · Jan 7, 2020

Yeah, my FFL-03 I went to the chief of HoCo police. When I did the form 4 for my silencer (still waiting on it being approved) Silencer Co auto entered MDSP superintendent.

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