Wrenn PI Granted (DC Shall Issue)

jjfcars · Jul 25, 2017

It's been almost four years now and he ain't grown none yet.

Minuteman · Jul 25, 2017

swinokur said:
Volokh/Kopel weight in

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rms-for-d-c-residents/?utm_term=.ff5f5246bd93

swinokur said:
SAF Announcement

Gura was the lead attorney IIRC
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Excellent!

Thx, I missed all this. Looks like mostly good news.

GlocksAndPatriots · Jul 25, 2017

fidelity said:
Kind of pathetic ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...bcbdfc-7146-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html

If that's all she's got, what's Maryland's excuse?

I bet many police officials also think that warrantless searches of every suspect's house would reduce crime too. Should we defer to them on 4th Amendment cases?

DC-W · Jul 25, 2017

swinokur said:
Volokh/Kopel weight in

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rms-for-d-c-residents/?utm_term=.ff5f5246bd93

Always a pleasure reading these. Thanks :thumbsup:

Peaceful John · Jul 25, 2017

motorcoachdoug said:
Say that DC does not file for En Banc or Cert and lets it become law of the land.

THEY DC must seek Cert. It has no options. If DC waits until a 5th Second Amendment friendly Justice is seated, they (the anti's) will have no further opportunity to restrict the carry of handguns for the next 30+ years.

US We must do what we can to encourage at least one more Justice to step aside in time for a replacement to be seated before this case reaches the Cert stage.

W2D · Jul 25, 2017

"The original Northampton statute took effect in 1328. Its language will faintly remind Anglophiles of studying Canterbury Tales—in the original."

Love it.

jcutonilli · Jul 25, 2017

kcbrown said:
You would need en banc if the court felt that the damage to the parties arising from the (in its view incorrect) panel decision was too high to tolerate. But yeah, other than that, published decisions are the only ones that count.

Where can I see the statistics for those?

Here is an older (2011) analysis on the number of unpublished opinions
http://volokh.com/2011/09/08/rates-...t-circuits-and-especially-the-fourth-circuit/

DCCA has 62.3% of its cases unpublished
9CA has 86.9% of its cases unpublished.

So the DCCA has about 3 times more published cases on a percentage basis so the 9CA only has about 3.5 times more published cases based on total numbers.

GTOGUNNER · Jul 25, 2017

Schipperke said:
Hogan should get a set and order MSP to accept self defense as meeting G&S forthwith.

I agree, advised by independent counsel, Hogan should tell MSP Secretary. .. we are now shall issue to those with a reason.....

Sent from the 3rd Rock

jcutonilli · Jul 25, 2017

I found the most current numbers (2016) for published cases
http://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/data_tables/jb_b12_0930.2016.pdf

DCCA has 61.8% unpublished (218 published cases)
9CA has 92.3% unpublished (516 published cases)

9CA has 2.4 times the number of published cases

Schipperke · Jul 25, 2017

CrueChief said:

jjfcars said:
It's been almost four years now and he ain't grown none yet.

Day one...

GTOGUNNER · Jul 25, 2017

jcutonilli said:
I found the most current numbers (2016) for published cases
http://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/data_tables/jb_b12_0930.2016.pdf

DCCA has 61.8% unpublished (218 published cases)
9CA has 92.3% unpublished (516 published cases)

9CA has 2.4 times the number of published cases

Looks like fuzzy math.

Sent from the 3rd Rock

jcutonilli · Jul 26, 2017

GTOGUNNER said:
Looks like fuzzy math.

Sent from the 3rd Rock

I think your just fuzzy.

It is simple math

DCCA 570 opinions; 218 published (38.2%), 352 unpublished (61.8%)
9CA 6709 opinions; 516 published (7.7%), 6190 unpublished (92.3%)

516/218=2.4 times more published cases

There are more cases but they are either consolidated or terminated for procedural reasons.

DubTap21 · Jul 26, 2017

Woot woot!!!

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Minuteman · Jul 26, 2017

W2D said:
"The original Northampton statute took effect in 1328. Its language will faintly remind Anglophiles of studying Canterbury Tales—in the original."

Love it.

Yep.

Would be cool to see an excerpt of both, by way of comparison.

jcutonilli said:
I think your just fuzzy.

It is simple math

DCCA 570 opinions; 218 published (38.2%), 352 unpublished (61.8%)
9CA 6709 opinions; 516 published (7.7%), 6190 unpublished (92.3%)

516/218=2.4 times more published cases

There are more cases but they are either consolidated or terminated for procedural reasons.

Color me fuzzy too, I glanced at the chart, thanks for the link; obviously you sat at the front of the USGov class in high school. i see that many numbers all on one page, my eyes glaze over; any additional insight you've been able to tease out of that data appreciated.

I've got my hands full just brushing up on Canterbury Tales!

W2D · Jul 26, 2017

Minuteman said:
Yep.

Would be cool to see an excerpt of both, by way of comparison.

Maybe Friar Frosh will lend us his original.

KevinK · Jul 26, 2017

GTOGUNNER said:
I agree, advised by independent counsel, Hogan should tell MSP Secretary. .. we are now shall issue to those with a reason.....

Sent from the 3rd Rock

As long as "a reason" includes 'because I want one'.

SWO Daddy · Jul 26, 2017

Just listened to Steve Holbrook on NRA News. He seemed pretty positive that this victory is short lived and we're going to an en banc.

Master_P · Jul 26, 2017

SWO Daddy said:
Just listened to Steve Holbrook on NRA News. He seemed pretty positive that this victory is short lived and we're going to an en banc.

It's possible, but recall that Heller 3 was decided by the same COA. DC petitioned for en banc, but that was denied in Feb '16. AFAIK, the city did not file for cert with SCOTUS.

Then again, the idea of public carry makes liberals apoplectic, so rational sense goes out the window.

swamplynx · Jul 26, 2017

Master_P said:
It's possible, but recall that Heller 3 was decided by the same COA. DC petitioned for en banc, but that was denied in Feb '16. AFAIK, the city did not file for cert with SCOTUS.

Then again, the idea of public carry makes liberals apoplectic, so rational sense goes out the window.

Since Heller, Obama packed the DC Circuit with another 4 judges. Heller was denied en banc 6-4. These 4 additional jurists change that equation. I'm hopeful intellectual honesty and the rarity of en banc on the Circuit will prevail, but we all know how the 2A gets liberals' panties in a messy twist.

Master_P · Jul 26, 2017

swamplynx said:
Since Heller, Obama packed the DC Circuit with another 4 judges. Heller was denied en banc 6-4. These 4 additional jurists change that equation. I'm hopeful intellectual honesty and the rarity of en banc on the Circuit will prevail, but we all know how the 2A gets liberals' panties in a messy twist.

The O-hole packed the DC COA in 2012-2014, when Dems had the Senate and Harry Reid invoked the 'nuclear option' for non-SCOTUS Article 3 judges.

Repubs took the Senate back in 2014, and shut down The O-hole's judicial nominations.

The Heller 3 en banc denial happened after The O-hole packed the DC COA.

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