Heads up on boating/canoeing/kayaking in VA starting 2021:

tallen702 · Dec 14, 2020

https://dwr.virginia.gov/boating/access/

Starting January 1, 2021, anyone using a Department of Wildlife Resources (DNR) owned or managed boat ramp will have to pay for a permit to launch ANY vessel (Boat, Canoe, Kayak, Innertube, etc.) from said DWR ramp/access point. Doesn't matter if it's improved (paved ramp, dock, etc) or unimproved (dirt path) if you don't have a permit, they'll fine you.

A VA hunting, trapping, or fishing permit will cover you as will a "Restore the Wild" membership, or an access permit. The lowest cost option is a $4 single-day access permit. It's BS if you ask me.

Kman · Dec 14, 2020

Public lands my left nut.

Alea Jacta Est · Dec 14, 2020

Won’t be long before they tax every breath, every squirt (by volume) AND every turd you take.

Jed195 · Dec 14, 2020

Turd burglars beware...

People will be cutting new trails to the water's edge to avoid the boat ramps with kayaks/canoes...larger boats can't.

Every turd you take...
Every squirt you make...

Every trip you take...every year to the lake
They'll be watching you.

pbharvey · Dec 14, 2020

Covid caused an explosion in outdoor sports. The politicians can't let people get away with it for free.

Archeryrob · Dec 14, 2020

This is why I have not been kayak fishing the Susquehanna as I don't want a GD sticker on my kayak, or both and pay for both.

outrider58 · Dec 14, 2020

Up next; breathing tax...

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Dec 14, 2020

outrider58 said:
Up next; breathing tax...

Well...Maryland has the flush tax so a tax on breathing can't be far behind. The MGA has a unique ability to get the state's fingers in your back pocket.

ChrisD · Dec 14, 2020

Jed195 said:
Turd burglars beware...

People will be cutting new trails to the water's edge to avoid the boat ramps with kayaks/canoes...larger boats can't.

Every turd you take...
Every squirt you make...

Every trip you take...every year to the lake
They'll be watching you.

If it weren’t so sad, that is actually funny.

Slackdaddy · Dec 15, 2020

PA has a launch permit. My parents live in PA and I kayak fish the "Sock"
I put in on private land but pull off a a fish and game ramp.
While pulling out I was asked if I had a launch permit,,,, I said "I'm not launching, I'm pulling out"

tallen702 · Dec 15, 2020

The girl who posted the notice on Facebook where I saw it (I say girl, she's north of 40 with 4 kids, but she's on husband #3 because she's never grown the hell up), got into it with me when I mentioned that this was a dick move by the VA DWR. She lives in Front Royal and acts like Shenandoah National Park is her private playground and gets all pissy when other people are hiking on "her" trails or visiting "her" spots. She seems to think that this will stop people from littering or trashing boat launches on the rivers and creeks there. I told her that there are far better ways to prevent that, like educating people more and stepping up enforcement, not charging people to access a resource held in public trust. She argued with me about it and how if people couldn't afford $30/year that they shouldn't be using it anyway. I pointed out that she must be a fan of laws regarding things like "The King's Deer" and "The King's River" which limited the use of natural resources to only a chosen elite. She couldn't seem to grasp the concept of a resource held in public trust. I pointed out that it's been the most popular way of dealing with such things since Justinian Civil Law established it as such in the 6th century, but then she really couldn't follow the thread. Whether it's firearms or guaranteeing the public access to the resources that they "own," the morons will always ruin it for everyone.

Slackdaddy · Dec 16, 2020

Funny you should bring this up,, I am an avid kayak/camper/fisherman.
We are there with the best rivers going to the "chosen few"

Many prime trips on wilderness rivers out west are rationed to select outfitters that you pay a "kings" ransom too.
Or a sparse few "slots" are available to the common man via a lottery (1-5% chance) or a 10 year waiting list.

There are just to many people for to few resources.
I used to do a 2-3 day kayak/camp/fish trip on the Doah between Luray and Front Royal, about 5-10 years ago the crowds started to grow exponentially,, it is like a stinkin street festival now on the river.

I weep for my future grand kids,
I have a full understanding what the American Indians felt.

tallen702 said:
The girl who posted the notice on Facebook where I saw it (I say girl, she's north of 40 with 4 kids, but she's on husband #3 because she's never grown the hell up), got into it with me when I mentioned that this was a dick move by the VA DWR. She lives in Front Royal and acts like Shenandoah National Park is her private playground and gets all pissy when other people are hiking on "her" trails or visiting "her" spots. She seems to think that this will stop people from littering or trashing boat launches on the rivers and creeks there. I told her that there are far better ways to prevent that, like educating people more and stepping up enforcement, not charging people to access a resource held in public trust. She argued with me about it and how if people couldn't afford $30/year that they shouldn't be using it anyway. I pointed out that she must be a fan of laws regarding things like "The King's Deer" and "The King's River" which limited the use of natural resources to only a chosen elite. She couldn't seem to grasp the concept of a resource held in public trust. I pointed out that it's been the most popular way of dealing with such things since Justinian Civil Law established it as such in the 6th century, but then she really couldn't follow the thread. Whether it's firearms or guaranteeing the public access to the resources that they "own," the morons will always ruin it for everyone.

rbird7282 · Dec 16, 2020

Slackdaddy said:
PA has a launch permit. My parents live in PA and I kayak fish the "Sock"
I put in on private land but pull off a a fish and game ramp.
While pulling out I was asked if I had a launch permit,,,, I said "I'm not launching, I'm pulling out"

That’s what I told her....

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outrider58 · Dec 16, 2020

rbird7282 said:
That’s what I told her....

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Park ranger · Dec 16, 2020

Slackdaddy said:
Funny you should bring this up,, I am an avid kayak/camper/fisherman.
We are there with the best rivers going to the "chosen few"

Many prime trips on wilderness rivers out west are rationed to select outfitters that you pay a "kings" ransom too.
Or a sparse few "slots" are available to the common man via a lottery (1-5% chance) or a 10 year waiting list.

There are just to many people for to few resources.
I used to do a 2-3 day kayak/camp/fish trip on the Doah between Luray and Front Royal, about 5-10 years ago the crowds started to grow exponentially,, it is like a stinkin street festival now on the river.

I weep for my future grand kids,
I have a full understanding what the American Indians felt.

The more people that experience the great outdoors, the more people will support them. Its double edged sword.

lazarus · Dec 17, 2020

Slackdaddy said:
PA has a launch permit. My parents live in PA and I kayak fish the "Sock"
I put in on private land but pull off a a fish and game ramp.
While pulling out I was asked if I had a launch permit,,,, I said "I'm not launching, I'm pulling out"

Be careful with that. You want to make sure you pull out before you launch :-D

lazarus · Dec 17, 2020

Slackdaddy said:
Funny you should bring this up,, I am an avid kayak/camper/fisherman.
We are there with the best rivers going to the "chosen few"

Many prime trips on wilderness rivers out west are rationed to select outfitters that you pay a "kings" ransom too.
Or a sparse few "slots" are available to the common man via a lottery (1-5% chance) or a 10 year waiting list.

There are just to many people for to few resources.
I used to do a 2-3 day kayak/camp/fish trip on the Doah between Luray and Front Royal, about 5-10 years ago the crowds started to grow exponentially,, it is like a stinkin street festival now on the river.

I weep for my future grand kids,
I have a full understanding what the American Indians felt.

On your last. So you’ve been attacked, had your lands stolen from you, kids stolen from you, friends killed and most everyone you know killed by diseases both unintentional and intentionally introduced?

Other wise you probably don’t have an understanding what most native Americans felt like.

Slackdaddy · Dec 18, 2020

I said I had a "Understanding"
For those without a dictionary:
un·der·stand·ing
/ˌəndərˈstandiNG/
noun
the ability to understand something; comprehension.""

I did not say I had a similar experience.

But my great grand parents and grand parent can say that.
am I am keenly aware of what they went through and what happened to my relatives in Poland in the 1930s and 40s,,
So YES I can understand

lazarus said:
On your last. So you’ve been attacked, had your lands stolen from you, kids stolen from you, friends killed and most everyone you know killed by diseases both unintentional and intentionally introduced?

Other wise you probably don’t have an understanding what most native Americans felt like.

wabbit · Dec 18, 2020

This is expected, as VA governor office and assembly has been taken over by Democrats.

ElGato · Dec 18, 2020

tallen702 said:
I told her that there are far better ways to prevent that, like educating people more and stepping up enforcement, not charging people to access a resource held in public trust.

I agree with you about increasing education and enforcement. Existing education and enforcement costs money. More of it would cost more money. Where would/should that money come from if not increased fees?

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