chujohn
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What do you guys think of this? I have been surfing the internet and then an advertisement for this product keeps showing up on various pages. Here is the link to their page:
https://theamepoint.com
https://theamepoint.com
AMEPOINT Sighting Tool
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It's a bore sight. It'll get you on paper when sighting in. I find the caliber specific in-chamber ones to be better than the ones that you plug in at the muzzle end. YMMV.
If an advertisement “Keeps Showing Up” that doesn’t mean it’s any good, it just means that the “Google Algorithms” are working as intended. They know they have gotten your attention, and they know you have started to rationalize the purchase. Now that you’ve imbedded the add here for all of us to see, your internet will mysteriously shut down soon, before we can convince you that this purchase is a bad decision.
Now for the more serious part of my response:
1) What exactly are you trying to align? Rifle with optic? Which rifle, caliber? What optic?
2) What purpose is the firearm to serve? Home defense? Hunting? Range Toy?
3) At what distance do you intend to shoot?
4) Do you have access to a range and ammo to test, once you think you have achieved proper alignment with the laser device?
Tungsten
Ultimate Member
Looks like lots of other similar products. QC on the laser beam positioning is going to be key. From what I have heard, these products are good for getting close at 25 ft, but you will still need to zero at distance with real ammo.
chujohn
Member
Yes, I know about Gargle Algorithms! I have a few rifles I want to align some in 22LR, .17hmr, 5.56, etc and thought maybe something like this might be better than buying several bore sights. Some are with Optics and some not and are range toy fun. I plan on shooting anywhere between 50 - 200 yards and I have access to a range and a decent amount of ammo. I hope that helps.
Like others have already mentioned they’ll help get you on paper at 25.yds. Like you I think one if my earliest post here at MDS was how my optic didn’t seem to be “aligned” after using a laser bore sight. It turned out that there is a lot of variation in how the bore sight fits into the barrel and how far away you are sighted.
In my case I tacked a 1” red bottle cap onto a tree in my back yard and measured it at 45yds from my position. I aligned the crosshairs of the optic with the laser dot and the bottle cap. This had to be done at dusk because the laser was pretty faint at that distance. When I went to the range the following day I was about 12” off target at 100yds and I was shocked. I setup another target at 50yds and stuck the laser bore back into the rifle and struggled to see the red dot at 50yds in broad daylight but I eventually found it, and it was nowhere near the center of the reticle. I reinserted it a few times and got it closer but it was still off 3-4 MOA. I eventually scratched a mark on the body of the laser and started rotating it clockwise and checking to see the laser. It was clear that the beam was not aligned as accurately as it should have been.
So I just continued to sight the rifle using progressive shots at 50yds until I was all good. I never used the thing anymore.
Since that experience I’ve gone to using the bore sighting method at 50 yds. I just remove the bolt or upper and set the rifle into some bench bags. Then I look through the barrel and align it to the target finally I adjust the reticle to match. This process usually takes 2-3 successive steps of looking through the barrel and then fine tuning the reticle, but it works great. I’ve had friends join me at the range and get them on paper in minutes.
This method is really useful when things go wrong. I showed up to a range shooting event at Ft Meade 600yds with a new scope that had never been zeroed before. I had incorrectly assumed that I could setup a target at 25-50yds to sight the gun. I was wrong it was 600yds or nothing. Also when you shoot on base you cannot simply pack your stuff up and leave you have to stay with your security escort. In this case it was a 4hr block.
So I found an orange traffic cone on the range and guesstimated its distance from the shooting rest at about 25yds. So I bore sighted my 6.5 Creedmoor on the cone and then plugged in a 25yd zero into my ballistic app. Finally I setup to hit an 18” target at 600yds and dialed in the calculated elevation. My first 3 shots were ON paper about at 600yds and I was shocked.
I do realize this will not work on things like a 10/22 where the bolt is not easily removed but it works on most of my rifles.
Good luck.
chujohn
Member
Thanks I really appreciate it.
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they make pretty sparks if you forget it is in the barrel when you fire the first shot.
sickpuppyz
your mom sends me care packages
lots of complaints about this Ame point. people waiting forever or not getting anything. just google reviews and you'll find lots of bad ones.
SiteLite is made in the US and uses a magnet to keep the bore position more consistent, not spot on but close.
I find that I can set up scope and then go to the range and be within 3-5 clicks from zero. It helps get the process started, but is not the end all.
It is available on Amazon.
https://sitelite-lasers.com/product_SL100.html
I find that I can set up scope and then go to the range and be within 3-5 clicks from zero. It helps get the process started, but is not the end all.
It is available on Amazon.
https://sitelite-lasers.com/product_SL100.html
chujohn
Member
Thanks, I will check that out.
chujohn
Member
chujohn
Member
Thanks, I tried looking for reviews before posting here and got Aimpoint results instead. Just did a search and found a BBB rating of F. Not sure why I could not find it the other day.
In my opinion every single one of these laser bore sighters, I don't care who makes them, are crap. Seriously, learn how to properly bore-sight by eye or just sight in a rifle in general. It's amazingly simple, yet so many people seem to struggle to even approach the idea of sighting in their own stuff.
Being able to sight in your rifle is a basic skill everyone who owns firearms should have. All you need is a basic sandbag rest, or you can even just use your range bag as a rest. Shoot at 25 yards to get on paper within a few inches of your aiming point, back it out to 50 and do the same thing and then to 100. All of my red dot equipped rifles rock a 50 meter zero, though.
In due time you will be sighting in your rifles within 6 shots or less.
Being able to sight in your rifle is a basic skill everyone who owns firearms should have. All you need is a basic sandbag rest, or you can even just use your range bag as a rest. Shoot at 25 yards to get on paper within a few inches of your aiming point, back it out to 50 and do the same thing and then to 100. All of my red dot equipped rifles rock a 50 meter zero, though.
In due time you will be sighting in your rifles within 6 shots or less.
I agree with ToolAA and Skipatrol dude, these things really are not worth it.
when starting out I even got the magnet scope thing that you just put on the muzzle. They ALL have some variation to the.
Old school looking through the bore (if you can) is pretty good. Yup, say a 10/22 you can't do that. Bolt action or even an AR, yes you can do that just fine.
At the range, I pick a rock or dark clump at 100 yards then shoot at it and see how far off it hits. Then adjust the scope. I can tell what 12" looks like at 100 yards and I may only waste 2-3 rounds getting it to the point that I'll be on paper at 50 yards. Then shoot at 50 yards. Key is to have a CLEAN target. If I want to really save time, I cover my target with a clean cardboard piece so if I'm even off paper, I can see it. USUALLY I don't need to do that.
If you do get any sort of gadget, Just know that once you adjust the scope, the laser may not even point to the same place every time. Rotate the laser, see how consistent it is. remove it insert it again. see how consistent it is. My laser is in a bag. not used it in 8 years.
These things have only a little use also:
https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-740001C-Magnetic-Boresighter/dp/B001C5ZRMI/
Maybe on a 10/22 it will get you on paper at 25 yards. BUT once you get it adjusted, put the thing on and make sure you mark where you attached to the muzzle, cause you can record where that particular gun shows up in the borescope and say you travel, you can verify zero if you can't check it before hunting.
when starting out I even got the magnet scope thing that you just put on the muzzle. They ALL have some variation to the.
Old school looking through the bore (if you can) is pretty good. Yup, say a 10/22 you can't do that. Bolt action or even an AR, yes you can do that just fine.
At the range, I pick a rock or dark clump at 100 yards then shoot at it and see how far off it hits. Then adjust the scope. I can tell what 12" looks like at 100 yards and I may only waste 2-3 rounds getting it to the point that I'll be on paper at 50 yards. Then shoot at 50 yards. Key is to have a CLEAN target. If I want to really save time, I cover my target with a clean cardboard piece so if I'm even off paper, I can see it. USUALLY I don't need to do that.
If you do get any sort of gadget, Just know that once you adjust the scope, the laser may not even point to the same place every time. Rotate the laser, see how consistent it is. remove it insert it again. see how consistent it is. My laser is in a bag. not used it in 8 years.
These things have only a little use also:
https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-740001C-Magnetic-Boresighter/dp/B001C5ZRMI/
Maybe on a 10/22 it will get you on paper at 25 yards. BUT once you get it adjusted, put the thing on and make sure you mark where you attached to the muzzle, cause you can record where that particular gun shows up in the borescope and say you travel, you can verify zero if you can't check it before hunting.
I think this is a good point to stress. If you can bore sight on the range you can do it in the woods too. Just pace off 25yds and pick some landmark, tree stump or whatever. You’ll probably be within 5moa.
chujohn
Member
Thanks everyone, glad I did not waste my money.
- Jul 29, 2014
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That's about all they're good for.
I've never used one. never needed to use one. OP, watch videos on true "bore sighting" using your eyes.
There are times when they can be of use is when sighting a scoped gun in that won't allow you to look down its bore, like a 10/22 or a lot of semi-automatic rifles. I still wouldn't use one for that though.
chujohn
Member
That's about all they're good for.
I've never used one. never needed to use one. OP, watch videos on true "bore sighting" using your eyes.
There are times when they can be of use is when sighting a scoped gun in that won't allow you to look down its bore, like a 10/22 or a lot of semi-automatic rifles. I still wouldn't use one for that though.
Thanks! With Covid I have plenty of time to look at videos.
