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  • trickg

    Guns 'n Drums
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 22, 2008
    14,598
    Glen Burnie
    Sitting here after the days events, seeing the small sliver of hope evaporate, I'm feeling dejected and defeated. I'm getting tired of losing.

    When the Heller v. DC decision was handed down in 2008 I had hoped that things had maybe turned a corner, but in the wake of that, we've just been getting beaten at almost every turn, with Heller being blatantly ignored, and with this election so obviously stolen... It's possible that history will mark this as the beginning of the downfall of a once proud and great nation.

    The question I have in my mind - is there any hope to turn it back. We lose our rights so quickly with bad legislation rammed through by partisan political systems, and it literally takes decades of tooth and nail legal wrangling too wrest them back, if it happens at all - DC languished under the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 for 33 years before a viable case was heard by the SCOTUS. I have no doubt that FSA2013 will still be in full effect Long after I'm dead.

    With the events of today, I'm sadly confident that inside of 4 years we're going to see legislation enacted on a national level that eviscerates our rights, and not only with guns. I held hope at one point that I could simply escape to a state with a stronger grip on freedom, but at this point, I don't hold out hope that we'll get through the next 4 years without seeing drastic erosions of our rights to the point where moving to another state won't even matter.

    Sorry - I know it's a pretty negative outlook, but after being beaten time after time in recent years, I think it's only going to get worse - we've come to the point in this nation's history where the Constitution no longer protects us from tyranny - not when it's blatantly ignored, and obvious egregious election fraud gets swept under the rug as if it never happened.
     

    HokieKev

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 4, 2013
    1,153
    I've been following the placement of Trump judicial nominees across the various district and circuit courts and I see a glimmer of hope. It's not great. But a number of circuits have flipped to majority republican appointed. Unfortunately, the circuit that Maryland is in is not one of those.

    So, IANAL, perhaps others will opine here who are - but it seems that any win in a district court in Maryland will lose at the circuit level - and then we have a shot at a 5 - 4 Supreme Court decision if they agree to take the case. Liberty hangs by a single thread. I don't usually give much in the way of politically oriented donations but I have made some contributions recently to SAF and MSI. They have had some success and I think any 2A case that can make it to the Supreme Court has a fair shot at a decent outcome.
     

    trickg

    Guns 'n Drums
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 22, 2008
    14,598
    Glen Burnie
    I've been following the placement of Trump judicial nominees across the various district and circuit courts and I see a glimmer of hope. It's not great. But a number of circuits have flipped to majority republican appointed. Unfortunately, the circuit that Maryland is in is not one of those.

    So, IANAL, perhaps others will opine here who are - but it seems that any win in a district court in Maryland will lose at the circuit level - and then we have a shot at a 5 - 4 Supreme Court decision if they agree to take the case. Liberty hangs by a single thread. I don't usually give much in the way of politically oriented donations but I have made some contributions recently to SAF and MSI. They have had some success and I think any 2A case that can make it to the Supreme Court has a fair shot at a decent outcome.
    What we needed to stem the tide was another 4 years of judicial appointments. With 4 more years the SCOTUS would have held for a generation, and the judiciary nationwide would have been shored up. That is the real reason this election was stolen IMO.
     
    Nope no hope whatsoever. We've already lost the Senate.. even if the two Republican senators from Georgia win there are at least three RINOs who will give the voting majority on some issues to the Democrats. And if the two senators in the Georgia race lose and the Democrats gain control of the Senate along with the house it's pretty much assured that they are going to pass a law that allows for probably as many as four additional justices all will be appointed by Joe Biden and approved by the democrat-controlled Senate... at that point they can do whatever they want.

    The sad part is many so-called second amendment supporters willdo whatever they're told by their government. Many right here on these boards will be tripping over themselves to try to be first in line to turn their firearms into the local police station
     

    Threeband

    The M1 Does My Talking
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2006
    25,233
    Carroll County
    If any of Trump's appointed judges make trouble and refuse to play along, I think they'll be encouraged to retire. "Sure would be a shame if all that kiddie porn on your computer was discovered, though. Wouldn't you prefer to retire?"

    But for the most part, I think they'll play along.
     

    ohen cepel

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 2, 2011
    4,509
    Where they send me.
    I still have some hope with the 2 GA seats. Even if it is 50/50 there will be vulnerable D's who just say a lot of their peers get taken out in the last election so I'm not sure they will play with all that Joe wants to do if they are from middle America.

    We're going to get doinked some but I'm not as off the rails as many.

    If you want a suggestion of something to do now, sends some $$ to the GA candidates.
     

    czman

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Nov 20, 2020
    97
    If any of Trump's appointed judges make trouble and refuse to play along, I think they'll be encouraged to retire. "Sure would be a shame if all that kiddie porn on your computer was discovered, though. Wouldn't you prefer to retire?"

    But for the most part, I think they'll play along.

    You want judges appointed for a lifetime by Trump to retire and be replaced by judges appointed for a lifetime by Biden? :rolleyes:
     

    Garet Jax

    Not ignored by gamer_jim
    MDS Supporter
    May 5, 2011
    6,572
    Bel Air
    You want judges appointed for a lifetime by Trump to retire and be replaced by judges appointed for a lifetime by Biden? :rolleyes:

    Reading comprehension much?

    He is saying that the Trump appointees will be forced to retire under threats of being framed only to be replaced by Biden appointees.
     

    Slackdaddy

    My pronouns: Iva/Bigun
    Jan 1, 2019
    5,849
    I think the era of Democrats being vulnerable in an election is over.
    Elections are a relic of the past,, The 2020 was a sloppy test run, they will learn from their mistakes and perfect their skill.
    If you bother to wait in line to vote,, you have just wasted an hour or 2 of your short life.
    If you want change, you will have to enact that change via some way other than voting.

    I still have some hope with the 2 GA seats. Even if it is 50/50 there will be vulnerable D's who just say a lot of their peers get taken out in the last election so I'm not sure they will play with all that Joe wants to do if they are from middle America.

    We're going to get doinked some but I'm not as off the rails as many.

    If you want a suggestion of something to do now, sends some $$ to the GA candidates.
     

    Garet Jax

    Not ignored by gamer_jim
    MDS Supporter
    May 5, 2011
    6,572
    Bel Air
    Sitting here after the days events, seeing the small sliver of hope evaporate, I'm feeling dejected and defeated. I'm getting tired of losing.

    When the Heller v. DC decision was handed down in 2008 I had hoped that things had maybe turned a corner, but in the wake of that, we've just been getting beaten at almost every turn, with Heller being blatantly ignored, and with this election so obviously stolen... It's possible that history will mark this as the beginning of the downfall of a once proud and great nation.

    The question I have in my mind - is there any hope to turn it back. We lose our rights so quickly with bad legislation rammed through by partisan political systems, and it literally takes decades of tooth and nail legal wrangling too wrest them back, if it happens at all - DC languished under the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 for 33 years before a viable case was heard by the SCOTUS. I have no doubt that FSA2013 will still be in full effect Long after I'm dead.

    With the events of today, I'm sadly confident that inside of 4 years we're going to see legislation enacted on a national level that eviscerates our rights, and not only with guns. I held hope at one point that I could simply escape to a state with a stronger grip on freedom, but at this point, I don't hold out hope that we'll get through the next 4 years without seeing drastic erosions of our rights to the point where moving to another state won't even matter.

    Sorry - I know it's a pretty negative outlook, but after being beaten time after time in recent years, I think it's only going to get worse - we've come to the point in this nation's history where the Constitution no longer protects us from tyranny - not when it's blatantly ignored, and obvious egregious election fraud gets swept under the rug as if it never happened.


    I'm right there with you. Any victories we had (Trump winning, Judge agreeing good and substantial was unconstitutional) were quickly undone or rendered toothless. The Dems fight very dirty and the Repubs let them get away with it.

    If Trump (or any leading Republican) had done what Hillary did with the emails and the servers and the pay to play schemes, they would have been prosecuted and imprisoned.

    If Trump (or any leading Republican) did what Biden or Hunter did with the Chinese, they would have been prosecuted and imprisoned.

    If the Republicans cheated the way the Dems did in this elections, the Dems would have found a way to combat it.

    The Republicans have been outplayed for decades, the seeds have grown into fruit and are being reaped right now.
     

    camobob

    Active Member
    Feb 18, 2013
    482
    I've been feeling the same. Looking at the vote graphs for GA it's clear that they weren't prepared for Trump's support but should be ready for the runoff's. If we lose the senate, cryin chuck will pack the court and all is lost. It's a pretty gloomy picture but I'm not a negative person. I've been struggling with what I can do - how can I make an impact NOW? It seems to me that our only chance is in the next two weeks. Does ANYBODY have an idea of how to turn this around?
     

    MDFF2008

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 12, 2008
    24,735
    Just because there are a few RINOs does not mean you "lose the Senate."

    51 Republicans still means you control:

    The Chamber and what bills get brought up
    The rules and what is permitted and not permitted
    The committee assignments and majority status on committees

    49 Republicans will be the same as zero Republicans because the Dems will change the rules to do whatever they want. The only limitation will be what the Democrats in the most conservative areas can get away with.
     

    Garet Jax

    Not ignored by gamer_jim
    MDS Supporter
    May 5, 2011
    6,572
    Bel Air
    Just because there are a few RINOs does not mean you "lose the Senate."

    51 Republicans still means you control:

    The Chamber and what bills get brought up
    The rules and what is permitted and not permitted
    The committee assignments and majority status on committees

    49 Republicans will be the same as zero Republicans because the Dems will change the rules to do whatever they want. The only limitation will be what the Democrats in the most conservative areas can get away with.

    Whether or not we have 51 senators this session is irrelevant. The Dems have learned that they can cheat to their heart's content and the courts will back them. They will improve their cheatings, the MSM will cover it up and the courts will turn a blind eye.

    Next election, they will cheat for more than the President. They will elect senators and house representatives so that they own all 3. Then they will destroy the America that we know - their voters will applaud, the MSM will tell them how great they are and the republic will disappear into the ether.

    Anyone who stands against them will do so in small pockets, will be labelled an extremist, will be locked away or killed or will die off due to old age never to be replaced.
     

    Jed195

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 19, 2011
    3,901
    MD.
    I've been feeling the same. Looking at the vote graphs for GA it's clear that they weren't prepared for Trump's support but should be ready for the runoff's. If we lose the senate, cryin chuck will pack the court and all is lost. It's a pretty gloomy picture but I'm not a negative person. I've been struggling with what I can do - how can I make an impact NOW? It seems to me that our only chance is in the next two weeks.

    Does ANYBODY have an idea of how to turn this around?

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    JaeLess

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    Nov 20, 2020
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    The issue that is upsetting to me, is not the people but the agenda. It appears the “conservative” agenda has lost and is probably gone for a good while. The reality is that the conservative party needs to evolve and get with the current times. Reach out to the Hispanic and Black population. There are a large number of conservatives in both of those groups. That is the only way to get enough numbers to win elections. Unless it is a landslide in future elections, there is always ways to manipulate the voting results. The Republican party slept on this fact this election cycle and it cost us dearly. Realistically, the Republican party deserved to lose for letting this happen. Could anyone not see what was going on and come up with a plan to stop it?
     

    smokey

    2A TEACHER
    Jan 31, 2008
    31,412
    Since the Democrats has the most extensive voter fraud program in place , it may be hard to ever win again .

    Wanna see a quote that makes you go "Hmmmmmm...."

    https://asbarez.com/198973/kamala-harris-hires-advisors-with-ties-to-turkey-azerbaijan/
    “He [Erdogan] has to pay a price,” Biden said at the time, adding that Washington should embolden Turkish opposition leaders “to be able to take on and defeat Erdogan. Not by a coup, not by a coup, but by the electoral process.”
     

    5cary

    On the spreading edge of the butter knife.
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2007
    3,635
    Sykesville, MD
    The issue that is upsetting to me, is not the people but the agenda. It appears the “conservative” agenda has lost and is probably gone for a good while. The reality is that the conservative party needs to evolve and get with the current times. Reach out to the Hispanic and Black population. There are a large number of conservatives in both of those groups. That is the only way to get enough numbers to win elections. Unless it is a landslide in future elections, there is always ways to manipulate the voting results. The Republican party slept on this fact this election cycle and it cost us dearly. Realistically, the Republican party deserved to lose for letting this happen. Could anyone not see what was going on and come up with a plan to stop it?

    First, there is no "conservative party". Republicans lost that badge decades ago. It would be nice if there were a conservative party.

    Second, how do you "reach out" to the Hispanic and Black population? The Dems do it with pandering. So I'm assuming in your mind that "reach out" != "pandering". I think there's been some excellent outreach over the past few years (one example), but the MSM simply refuses to allow it to reach the masses.

    So how would you accomplish "outreach"?

    I don't think we need to reach out to already conservative Hispanics and Blacks. Our big demographic problem is the lies being fed to everyone (and the fraud of course).

    The greater problem (that addresses the OP's issue) is that even when we win we'll lose...The system is compromised and the more they exploit that compromise the worse it becomes.
     

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