Latest story - 6 week wait

KIBarrister · Apr 10, 2013

http://citypaper.com/news/state-police-swamped-by-background-checks-for-new-gun-purchases-1.1470471

What I can't figure out is how the wait is getting worse when they have purportedly doubled hours and personnel. Its been many a year since I dropped the BS in favor of a BA because of my distaste for math, but shouldn't that equal a quadrupled capacity?

It just seems absolutely ridiculous. Apparently having to type each name 17 times is a huge part of the delay? You must be joking? If they only have 55 people doing this total for 10 hours per day, and you give them 5 minutes per database it takes 85 minutes per applicant - but that is 33,000 minutes of labor per day - which should be enough for 388 applications per day. EXCEPT, they have supposedly twice as many people working more than twice as long. So they should be able to process 1552+ applications per day. They should be eroding the backlog, not seeing extend by one day every three days.

Now, if they are processing just 300 per 21 hours, and assuming they only have the 55 new employees, it is taking them 3.85 man hours per application.

And that $10 fee? If they are getting 500 per day than they are also getting $5k per day. Government bureaucracy at its finest.

the more I think on it... :mad54:

MauiWowie · Apr 10, 2013

If you're a designated collector the wait isn't as horrible bc usually I'm waiting on 3-4 things at a time.
I haven't a clue what you just said but it sounds smart

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MDLiberty · Apr 10, 2013

defacto gun ban

Shift · Apr 10, 2013

Even before the explosion this seems like a ridiculous system, instead of accessing 17 different databases why not create an 18th database that all others feed into for the sole purpose of doing background checks.

RavensChick · Apr 10, 2013

KIBarrister said:
http://citypaper.com/news/state-police-swamped-by-background-checks-for-new-gun-purchases-1.1470471

What I can't figure out is how the wait is getting worse when they have purportedly doubled hours and personnel. Its been many a year since I dropped the BS in favor of a BA because of my distaste for math, but shouldn't that equal a quadrupled capacity?

It just seems absolutely ridiculous. Apparently having to type each name 17 times is a huge part of the delay? You must be joking? If they only have 55 people doing this total for 10 hours per day, and you give them 5 minutes per database it takes 85 minutes per applicant - but that is 33,000 minutes of labor per day - which should be enough for 388 applications per day. EXCEPT, they have supposedly twice as many people working more than twice as long. So they should be able to process 1552+ applications per day. They should be eroding the backlog, not seeing extend by one day every three days.

Now, if they are processing just 300 per 21 hours, and assuming they only have the 55 new employees, it is taking them 3.85 man hours per application.

And that $10 fee? If they are getting 500 per day than they are also getting $5k per day. Government bureaucracy at its finest.

the more I think on it...

Sounds like their software sucks. There is no way a user should have to data enter the same data 17 times.

RugerRedbone · Apr 10, 2013

I wish it was only 6 weeks, more like 8 now.

2nd=Good+Substantial · Apr 10, 2013

The spokesman blames NICS for part of the delay? I haven't heard of delays at NICS from friends in other states. Even if NICS was a couple days behind, that means MSP is responsible for the other 50 or so.

Tashtego · Apr 10, 2013

Yep, definitely more than 6 weeks

ColonelHurtz · Apr 10, 2013

Why should tyranny expedite liberty?

goalie098 · Apr 10, 2013

KIBarrister said:
http://citypaper.com/news/state-police-swamped-by-background-checks-for-new-gun-purchases-1.1470471

What I can't figure out is how the wait is getting worse when they have purportedly doubled hours and personnel. Its been many a year since I dropped the BS in favor of a BA because of my distaste for math, but shouldn't that equal a quadrupled capacity?

It just seems absolutely ridiculous. Apparently having to type each name 17 times is a huge part of the delay? You must be joking? If they only have 55 people doing this total for 10 hours per day, and you give them 5 minutes per database it takes 85 minutes per applicant - but that is 33,000 minutes of labor per day - which should be enough for 388 applications per day. EXCEPT, they have supposedly twice as many people working more than twice as long. So they should be able to process 1552+ applications per day. They should be eroding the backlog, not seeing extend by one day every three days.

Now, if they are processing just 300 per 21 hours, and assuming they only have the 55 new employees, it is taking them 3.85 man hours per application.

And that $10 fee? If they are getting 500 per day than they are also getting $5k per day. Government bureaucracy at its finest.

the more I think on it...

ummm did you just use math? See here is your problem; Math = logic. Government = chaos, bureaucracy, deception, and incompetency. All four of those independently cancels logic and de facto it cancels math. Thus you cannot use math to solve the current wait time. What we need is a focus group to look at recommendations from a think tank all funded by an self increasing tax on the people. Then we can see a solution. Come on guys

Just sayin :innocent0

ShallNotInfringe · Apr 10, 2013

Just talked to the seller of my latest acquisition, who is down in Texas. Was explaining the situation up here and the new bill, he could not believe it! He said we should all come on down there!

Who's ready to move to Texas?

*** We are now entering a phase where we must sleep with one eye open at all times ***

KIBarrister · Apr 10, 2013

ShallNotInfringe said:
Just talked to the seller of my latest acquisition, who is down in Texas. Was explaining the situation up here and the new bill, he could not believe it! He said we should all come on down there!

Who's ready to move to Texas?

*** We are now entering a phase where we must sleep with one eye open at all times ***

I Wish. Three problems come to mind (not necessarily in this order).
1. job here
2. professional license here
3. that would be closer to in-laws.

hoping the dc & baltimore metro's hatred of the Eastern Shore has them offer us to Virginia, hell, Delaware? sadly more realistic :banghead:

ShallNotInfringe · Apr 10, 2013

KIBarrister said:
I Wish. Three problems come to mind (not necessarily in this order).
1. job here
2. professional license here
3. that would be closer to in-laws.

hoping the dc & baltimore metro's hatred of the Eastern Shore has them offer us to Virginia, hell, Delaware? sadly more realistic

I have reason number 1

Won't stop me from wanting to go....

Then he rubbed salt in it and told me if I lived in Texas, I could just drop by and pick it up....

*** We are now entering a phase where we must sleep with one eye open at all times ***

tapeman1 · Apr 10, 2013

RavensChick said:
Sounds like their software sucks. There is no way a user should have to data enter the same data 17 times.

One of my old Computer Science teachers used to say "If I have to enter the same thing more than twice your code sucks."

HKB · Apr 10, 2013

Shift said:
Even before the explosion this seems like a ridiculous system, instead of accessing 17 different databases why not create an 18th database that all others feed into for the sole purpose of doing background checks.

Whoa whoa can't have people using "common sense" when it comes to government bureaucracy after its for the children.

rob-cubed · Apr 10, 2013

2nd=Good+Substantial said:
The spokesman blames NICS for part of the delay? I haven't heard of delays at NICS from friends in other states. Even if NICS was a couple days behind, that means MSP is responsible for the other 50 or so.

NICS is still fairly instant. This is all MSP delay.

And I agree with the OP, the math doesn't make sense. There was an huge lift in demand in November after the election, so they already had a month to staff up temporarily. A month later the top blew off. Since then, the MSP has had ALMOST FOUR MONTHS to staff up and not break Maryland's mandated 7-day regulation.

No excuse, except that they've been "disincentivized" to fix the problem.

Right2Carry · Apr 10, 2013

I joined the 60 days club today.

steveh326 · Apr 10, 2013

with these long delays, how in the hell am I supposed to be able to make the purchases I want before they are banned on oct 1? o wait, nevermind, I think I just figured it out...

Pinecone · Apr 10, 2013

1) s long as you have a purchase order by Oct 1, you are fine.

2) You can have paper work in early. MSP will just tell the FFL to delay the delivery until 30 days after the last one.

3) Apply for Designated Collector status.

With 1 and 2, you can buy at least 6+ regulated firearms. With 3, you can buy as many as you can afford.

Rockfish · Apr 10, 2013

Pinecone said:
1) s long as you have a purchase order by Oct 1, you are fine.

2) You can have paper work in early. MSP will just tell the FFL to delay the delivery until 30 days after the last one.

3) Apply for Designated Collector status.

With 1 and 2, you can buy at least 6+ regulated firearms. With 3, you can buy as many as you can afford.

Did I miss something? I thought you had to take ownership of the firearm before october 1? So now you just need to have the paperwork in?

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