Delegate Dumais working on bill to ban 80% firearms

Adolph Oliver Bush · Jan 29, 2019

fabsroman said:
Who is AOB and how the heck am I attacking anybody?

Adolph Oliver Bush is quite a mouthful, so to speak, so folks often shorten it to AOB, or sometimes Notorious AOB. See also RD for Road Dawg, MM for Migraine Man, R&R, etc., where context conveys meaning.

I shortened the story that was related to me for posting purposes, posting merely a synopsis of what was related. Nevertheless, it accurately relays the encounter.

I have to tell you, it sure seemed personal, but hey, its the internet. I don't come to MDS because I need a safe space. I'm glad that you're doing your part Fabsroman. Thank you.

Bob A · Jan 30, 2019

Most everyone on this board does what he or she can. Much of it takes place in the real world, not on a screen at home.

My activities altered once my job went away; things I couldn't do became do-able.

Money talks. I support a number of 2A organisations, because they all play a part, and certainly not the same part. Politicians gets some money too, though I don't see much hope for a functional return on my investment in Maryland. I send money to politicians in other states who can be effective on the Federal level.

I put in face time in Annapolis, because I can. A few years ago, I couldn't.

We are a community of ideals and ideas, but we are separated in time and space from one another. This makes some things very difficult for us, and easy for the Overlords. They can send their police to pick us off one at a time with ERPO; we no longer have the option of immediate armed resistance that worked so famously in Lexington and Concord.

Being separated except for these internet linkups makes us extremely vulnerable. Social media and sites like MDS are vulnerable to governmental control, as well as to attacks by hackers who drink the SJW beverages. Not to mention the oversight by governmental organs of information-gathering, which certainly goes on, and intimidates many here. Have a job with dotGov? Want to keep it?

For several years, like-minded people have moved to areas like Idaho, Utah, Montana and so forth, with the thought that a concentrated body of voter citizens could hold the line against Progressive destruction of our constitution and way of life, at the state level. This is a good thing, but not practical in MD. Meanwhile, we're diluted in a sea of blind followers of the Party Line, with a supermajority in the legislature.

Of course, this supermajority was only possible by outrageous gerrymandering, which deliberately worked to disenfranchise a sizeable minority of voters. Maryland has always been on the leading edge of corruption in politics, and they do it well.
We are in need of social outreach, to bring disparate members into personal contact, to put a halt to the constant bickering and back-biting. We share a common goal, but balk at disparate means of achieving it.

We need a force multiplier. I have no idea how to develop one.

We need redundant communications. MDS can be shut down easily; we've seen Denial of Service attacks every legislative session for the last several years. To facilitate that, we need personal contact. A lot of it.

Seems to me that face-to-face building of a body of like-minded individuals could override much of the internet-style vitriol, while promoting a certain bond. I don't think it can be accomplished through quarterly MSI meetings, or a few disgruntled hotheads carrying signs chiding legislators, or whining about the situation in the middle of the night on a computer terminal.

(Note: I am of course guilty of all three of the above. I think they all have their place; I just think it's not nearly enough to get the job done.)

I suspect we need a lot more than the above. What all am I missing?

Anyone?

hillbilly grandpa · Jan 30, 2019

Bob A said:
Most everyone on this board does what he or she can. Much of it takes place in the real world, not on a screen at home.

My activities altered once my job went away; things I couldn't do became do-able.

Money talks. I support a number of 2A organisations, because they all play a part, and certainly not the same part. Politicians gets some money too, though I don't see much hope for a functional return on my investment in Maryland. I send money to politicians in other states who can be effective on the Federal level.

I put in face time in Annapolis, because I can. A few years ago, I couldn't.

We are a community of ideals and ideas, but we are separated in time and space from one another. This makes some things very difficult for us, and easy for the Overlords. They can send their police to pick us off one at a time with ERPO; we no longer have the option of immediate armed resistance that worked so famously in Lexington and Concord.

Being separated except for these internet linkups makes us extremely vulnerable. Social media and sites like MDS are vulnerable to governmental control, as well as to attacks by hackers who drink the SJW beverages. Not to mention the oversight by governmental organs of information-gathering, which certainly goes on, and intimidates many here. Have a job with dotGov? Want to keep it?

For several years, like-minded people have moved to areas like Idaho, Utah, Montana and so forth, with the thought that a concentrated body of voter citizens could hold the line against Progressive destruction of our constitution and way of life, at the state level. This is a good thing, but not practical in MD. Meanwhile, we're diluted in a sea of blind followers of the Party Line, with a supermajority in the legislature.

Of course, this supermajority was only possible by outrageous gerrymandering, which deliberately worked to disenfranchise a sizeable minority of voters. Maryland has always been on the leading edge of corruption in politics, and they do it well.
We are in need of social outreach, to bring disparate members into personal contact, to put a halt to the constant bickering and back-biting. We share a common goal, but balk at disparate means of achieving it.

We need a force multiplier. I have no idea how to develop one.

We need redundant communications. MDS can be shut down easily; we've seen Denial of Service attacks every legislative session for the last several years. To facilitate that, we need personal contact. A lot of it.

Seems to me that face-to-face building of a body of like-minded individuals could override much of the internet-style vitriol, while promoting a certain bond. I don't think it can be accomplished through quarterly MSI meetings, or a few disgruntled hotheads carrying signs chiding legislators, or whining about the situation in the middle of the night on a computer terminal.

(Note: I am of course guilty of all three of the above. I think they all have their place; I just think it's not nearly enough to get the job done.)

I suspect we need a lot more than the above. What all am I missing?

Anyone?

What he said. Particularly the latter part. That would presume that a small and growing group begin a conversation about the tactics of a broad, ongoing campaign of direct action. That would require that group to shed their anonymity and expand the nascent trust that already exists. This is the long campaign. Strategy and philosophy are irrelevant absent viable tactics. We've learned from many years of observing insurgencies that the entrenched powers formulate strategies, then devise tactics to implement them. Insurgents (that's us) discover/devise tactics rooted in what is situationally possible. Strategy grows out of successful tactics. So we're back to those initial conversations. Groups like PP, among others, have demonstrated how this can be effective. We already have some base of experience. Let's build on that. I'm in to carry my part of the load. But I'm not the one to assume any leadership. As someone pointed out recently in another thread, I don't have geega posts. Therefore any observations I might make are suspect. There might be a clue in there somewhere.

eruby · Jan 30, 2019

hillbilly grandpa said:
.... As someone pointed out recently in another thread, I don't have geega posts. Therefore any observations I might make are suspect.

Horse manure.

Your bona fides have been well established.

It is not the quantity of posts that matter, it is the quality.

fabsroman · Jan 30, 2019

Bob A said:
Most everyone on this board does what he or she can. Much of it takes place in the real world, not on a screen at home.

My activities altered once my job went away; things I couldn't do became do-able.

Money talks. I support a number of 2A organisations, because they all play a part, and certainly not the same part. Politicians gets some money too, though I don't see much hope for a functional return on my investment in Maryland. I send money to politicians in other states who can be effective on the Federal level.

I put in face time in Annapolis, because I can. A few years ago, I couldn't.

We are a community of ideals and ideas, but we are separated in time and space from one another. This makes some things very difficult for us, and easy for the Overlords. They can send their police to pick us off one at a time with ERPO; we no longer have the option of immediate armed resistance that worked so famously in Lexington and Concord.

Being separated except for these internet linkups makes us extremely vulnerable. Social media and sites like MDS are vulnerable to governmental control, as well as to attacks by hackers who drink the SJW beverages. Not to mention the oversight by governmental organs of information-gathering, which certainly goes on, and intimidates many here. Have a job with dotGov? Want to keep it?

For several years, like-minded people have moved to areas like Idaho, Utah, Montana and so forth, with the thought that a concentrated body of voter citizens could hold the line against Progressive destruction of our constitution and way of life, at the state level. This is a good thing, but not practical in MD. Meanwhile, we're diluted in a sea of blind followers of the Party Line, with a supermajority in the legislature.

Of course, this supermajority was only possible by outrageous gerrymandering, which deliberately worked to disenfranchise a sizeable minority of voters. Maryland has always been on the leading edge of corruption in politics, and they do it well.
We are in need of social outreach, to bring disparate members into personal contact, to put a halt to the constant bickering and back-biting. We share a common goal, but balk at disparate means of achieving it.

We need a force multiplier. I have no idea how to develop one.

We need redundant communications. MDS can be shut down easily; we've seen Denial of Service attacks every legislative session for the last several years. To facilitate that, we need personal contact. A lot of it.

Seems to me that face-to-face building of a body of like-minded individuals could override much of the internet-style vitriol, while promoting a certain bond. I don't think it can be accomplished through quarterly MSI meetings, or a few disgruntled hotheads carrying signs chiding legislators, or whining about the situation in the middle of the night on a computer terminal.

(Note: I am of course guilty of all three of the above. I think they all have their place; I just think it's not nearly enough to get the job done.)

I suspect we need a lot more than the above. What all am I missing?

Anyone?

Yeah, I could not have said it better myself.

I know I am on MSI's e-mail list. Wonder how many on here are on MSI's e-mail list? I would hope everybody, but I am guessing that not even a majority of the members here are on MSI's e-mail list. Being on MSI's e-mail list and the NRA's e-mail list keeps me in the know, and it allows me to receive e-mails from those organizations when they are trying to get large protests together. It worked for me in 2013.

I also like meeting people on this board face to face. Once tax season is over, I'm going to try to put some shoots together at PGT&S just for fun. Maybe even put together a bike ride (gasp) of like minded individuals in the late spring/early summer. I think it really helps that we get together every so often. Granted, a lot of it is the same faces over and over, but if we get 3 or more new faces every month, it starts to add up. Especially if those 3 faces bring a new face with them the next month.

However, this is what I said earlier and I think I was rebuked and told that the only thing that will work is getting in my legislators' faces. Maybe my recollection is a little fuzzy on this.

Anyway, I hope to see a bunch of you guys on the 18th in Timonium for dinner. I'll have my kids with me. Would be nice to see others attend from the upcoming generation because they are going to need to carry the torch when the rest of us are long gone.

As R&R said, let's make this fun and more people will be willing to participate. Albeit, that was in reference to the Patriot Picket, but I think it can be in reference to shooting, self defense, hunting, and supporting the 2nd Amendment however people can.

fabsroman · Jan 30, 2019

eruby said:
Horse manure.

Your bona fides have been well established.

It is not the quantity of posts that matter, it is the quality.

Yeah, if it was only about quantity, well then I would ............. have most people on here beat. lol

I try to throw in some quality every once in a while, but it takes so much effort.

Bob A · Jan 30, 2019

fabsroman said:
Yeah, I could not have said it better myself.

Why, thank you.

Looking forward to meet-ups, as you mention. I think it is, or will become, essential to establish things on a personal, face-to-face basis.

Docster · Feb 6, 2019

Was an article about a DC7 report. I sent her this email.

Ms Dumais;

I applaud your effort to reduce Maryland's crime rate and in particular Baltimore's standing as the city in the country with the highest per capita murder rate. However as many laws that Maryland legislators have created in the past, this one will not work.

"Dumais said, “Will my bill stop someone who is a felon who wants to order a gun, a ghost gun, from ordering a gun online? Unfortunately, the answer is no""

Add "criminals" to your quote and the reason is evident.* Who will the bill affect the most? Law-abiding citizens and hobbyists that are following federal laws. Of course many Maryland laws have been shown to affect only this group of people which is why they have failed over the years.

As well, it's not a gun that's ordered online but a plastic frame that requires additional work. Your comments are misleading and points to the ignorance that many lawmakers have about guns in general

Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"**That it what this bill is,* another feel good attempt to 'do something' that fails to address the real problem 'CRIMINALS.

Of course it has a good chance of passing in Maryland and a very good chance of having no effect on crime or murder rates. In one or two years we'll revisit the data and ask for accountability.*

Sincerely*
LtCol Stephen A Bonning,* USAF, Ret

PowPow · Feb 6, 2019

Docster said:
Was an article about a DC7 report. I sent her this email.

Ms Dumais;

I applaud your effort to reduce Maryland's crime rate and in particular Baltimore's standing as the city in the country with the highest per capita murder rate. However as many laws that Maryland legislators have created in the past, this one will not work.

"Dumais said, “Will my bill stop someone who is a felon who wants to order a gun, a ghost gun, from ordering a gun online? Unfortunately, the answer is no""

Add "criminals" to your quote and the reason is evident.* Who will the bill affect the most? Law-abiding citizens and hobbyists that are following federal laws. Of course many Maryland laws have been shown to affect only this group of people which is why they have failed over the years.

As well, it's not a gun that's ordered online but a plastic frame that requires additional work. Your comments are misleading and points to the ignorance that many lawmakers have about guns in general

Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"**That it what this bill is,* another feel good attempt to 'do something' that fails to address the real problem 'CRIMINALS.

Of course it has a good chance of passing in Maryland and a very good chance of having no effect on crime or murder rates. In one or two years we'll revisit the data and ask for accountability.*

Sincerely*
LtCol Stephen A Bonning,* USAF, Ret

She does not feel that she is accountable to anyone other than her party and their agenda. I predict crickets.

Docster · Feb 6, 2019

PowPow said:
She does not feel that she is accountable to anyone other than her party and their agenda. I predict crickets.

I'm sure but I wish she'd hear from more of us so that in a year or two we'd write to her again with some updated data.

Allen65 · Feb 7, 2019

PowPow said:
She does not feel that she is accountable to anyone other than her party and their agenda. I predict crickets.

When you can come in third in a three person race in your district and still end up with a seat in the House, that's as unaccountable as you can get. I don't even think the Party has much control over her.

Lucca1 · Feb 8, 2019

HB0740 now listed.
Prohibiting a person from transporting into the State or manufacturing, possessing, selling, offering to sell, transferring, purchasing, or receiving a firearm manufactured after 1968 that is not imprinted with a serial number issued by a federally licensed firearms manufacturer or importer; and establishing penalties of up to 5 years imprisonment or a fine of up to $5,000, or both for violations of the Act.

Allen65 · Feb 8, 2019

Lucca1 said:
HB0740 now listed.
Prohibiting a person from transporting into the State or manufacturing, possessing, selling, offering to sell, transferring, purchasing, or receiving a firearm manufactured after 1968 that is not imprinted with a serial number issued by a federally licensed firearms manufacturer or importer; and establishing penalties of up to 5 years imprisonment or a fine of up to $5,000, or both for violations of the Act.

I see a profitable, no-capital-invesement-necessary business opportunity for an 07 or 08 FFL in this.

This was the bill I was waiting for from Dumais. That Senate bill banning 3D printers wasn't what she was rambling on about over the summer.

Schipperke · Feb 8, 2019

Allen65 said:
When you can come in third in a three person race in your district and still end up with a seat in the House, that's as unaccountable as you can get. I don't even think the Party has much control over her.

Dumais gets the most votes.

Allen65 · Feb 8, 2019

Schipperke said:
Dumais gets the most votes.

Yup. But even if she didn't, she'd still be in the House. And that means she's free do do pretty much whatever she wants to whoever she wants without electoral consequences.

budman93 · Feb 8, 2019

Lucca1 said:
HB0740 now listed.
Prohibiting a person from transporting into the State or manufacturing, possessing, selling, offering to sell, transferring, purchasing, or receiving a firearm manufactured after 1968 that is not imprinted with a serial number issued by a federally licensed firearms manufacturer or importer; and establishing penalties of up to 5 years imprisonment or a fine of up to $5,000, or both for violations of the Act.

So they want to ban possession of existing 80%s too huh.

teratos · Feb 8, 2019

budman93 said:
So they want to ban possession of existing 80%s too huh.

Of COURSE they do.

ironpony · Feb 8, 2019

Allen65 said:
I see a profitable, no-capital-invesement-necessary business opportunity for an 07 or 08 FFL in this.

This was the bill I was waiting for from Dumais. That Senate bill banning 3D printers wasn't what she was rambling on about over the summer.

I am trying to do this but currently do not have the capital for a much larger safe that passes ATF muster. They say it just has to be big enough that two peeps can't carry it away.

budman93 · Feb 8, 2019

Both of my delegates are co-sponsors on this.

:mad54:

Lucca1 · Feb 8, 2019

budman93 said:
So they want to ban possession of existing 80%s too huh.

teratos said:
Of COURSE they do.

But unlike a bump stock, I don't believe that a homemade firearm can be transferred or sold. How would a total ban stand without compensation?

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