"Moms" to protest NRAHQ 10/6 10AM

If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it...

Seems to me the protest had its desired effect: Get MDS people to attack each other and sow division on a public forum. There are plenty of other threads in the WC, you know. We can "debate" it there.

Good job, everyone.

So...in all of this, did they make the porno or not?

yellowfin said:

So...in all of this, did they make the porno or not?

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Checked both the VA and MD Moms Demand Attention pages ... no mention of the silent protest at NRA HQ.

Maybe it was so silent that nobody noticed ...

... or, maybe she's not affiliated with MDA. Looks like Ms. Creel runs Smart Mom LLC out of Ashton, MD. Sells a line of jewelery that doubles as a teething ring. I'm thinking that the "Moms" she referred to were her customers.

Humm. $15 teething rings seem like a good racket, if you can get it .

Do the usual Attention Demanders know they're being impersonated ?

GBMaryland said:

In general, I think the point is that bump stocks emulate machine gun fire, which are expressly made difficult to purchase by Federal law.

Bump stocks have now been used to commit a pretty serious crime, just as tommy guns were in the 20s. As such, there is a legitimate need to regulate that specific type of device, and devices that perform the same function.

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And yet, the exact same thing is true of unaltered semi-automatic rifles. Did you really forget the Norway attack that took even more lives than the Las Vegas one?

Do you think that there is a "legitimate need" to "regulate" semi-automatic rifles? Your logic demands that you do. So either you must abandon your justification for "regulating" bump-fire stocks, or you must support the same kinds of "regulations" against semi-automatic rifles.

When someone is playing around with a bump stock, they are generally doing it because they feel like the got away with something, like forbidden fruit. “I go me a machine gun!” Machine guns are regulated because they can do an inordinate amount of damage.

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No, machine guns are "regulated" because the government thought "regulating" them would make it easier to go up against organized crime organizations back in the 1930s. As if criminal organizations give a crap about laws. No, the NFA is exactly the same kind of response to the evil things that people have done that the national AWB was, and is no more legitimate. It is only because machine guns are "scary" and "powerful" that even some so-called "pro-gun" people are supportive of banning them.

Machine guns are not like explosives -- they are still directed-fire weapons.

Our eventual win for gun rights does have to be metered with some level of public safety. I think the NRA did exactly the right thing;it’s not like they don’t rightly oppose pretty much everything else.

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Claims of "public safety" have to be proven for them to have any merit in the first place. Where's the data that shows that public safety is substantially higher with the NFA in place than without it? My bet is that you have none. And that means your position has no merit at all.

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And yet, the exact same thing is true of unaltered semi-automatic rifles. Did you really forget the Norway attack that took even more lives than the Las Vegas one?

Do you think that there is a "legitimate need" to "regulate" semi-automatic rifles? Your logic demands that you do. So either you must abandon your justification for "regulating" bump-fire stocks, or you must support the same kinds of "regulations" against semi-automatic rifles.




No, machine guns are "regulated" because the government thought "regulating" them would make it easier to go up against organized crime organizations back in the 1930s. As if criminal organizations give a crap about laws. No, the NFA is exactly the same kind of response to the evil things that people have done that the national AWB was, and is no more legitimate. It is only because machine guns are "scary" and "powerful" that even some so-called "pro-gun" people are supportive of banning them.

Machine guns are not like explosives -- they are still directed-fire weapons.




Claims of "public safety" have to be proven for them to have any merit in the first place. Where's the data that shows that public safety is substantially higher with the NFA in place than without it? My bet is that you have none. And that means your position has no merit at all.

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I agree with you; however, I see the merit to the argument that "IF we are to treat machine guns differently, then there's no real reason to not include bump stocks in that category." I personally don't think machine guns should be regulated beyond that of any other firearm.

GlocksAndPatriots said:

I agree with you; however, I see the merit to the argument that "IF we are to treat machine guns differently, then there's no real reason to not include bump stocks in that category." I personally don't think machine guns should be regulated beyond that of any other firearm.

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I do agree that bump stocks and other such devices yield a firearm that behaves the same way as a machine gun does from the point of view of an outside observer. And as such, since the purpose of the law is ostensibly to limit availability of firearms with "rapid fire" characteristics, it's logical to include things like bump stocks in the regulations.

Binary triggers might be a trickier question. The only difference between those and standard triggers is that you get two rounds fired per pull of the trigger instead of one. But if a 3 round burst weapon is subject to NFA, then logically so should a weapon with a binary trigger.


Despite all that, the fundamental basis of the NFA itself is illegitimate. One can rightly argue for consistency under the law, but in the end, it's the fundamental basis of law that matters the most. Tyranny is no less tyranny even if it is imposed consistently.

A binary trigger is NOT comparable to a 3 shot ( or 2 shot) burst trigger. A binary trigger still requires a seperate manipulation for each shot.

Release triggers have been around essentially forever, primarily seen with certain Trap shooters.