House Bill 159 Weapon-Free Higher Education Zone - Floor Debate Tomorrow the 8th

DC-W · Mar 18, 2017

They claiming victory for potentially getting a bill that's just a state-wide reinforcement of most campus' existing policy that doesn't incur a criminal penalty?

dblas · Mar 18, 2017

Abacab said:
When did Miller get such a bug up his ass about guns and colleges? They've had decades to do this. Did something set him off?

Normally he goes where the wind is blowing and as far as I can tell there wasn't a strong breeze for this bill.

As Stoveman said above, since his granddaughter is now attending UMD. When they announced this bill last year he made a point of stating he had grandkids in college and would do everything he could to protect them.

dblas · Mar 18, 2017

danb said:
I do not think it's a Miller thing. Campus carry is an issue all over the country. I think that the demanding MoMs and Bloomberg crowd are looking for a victory to say that they beat back the tide.

Miller made it personal when he announced the bill last year and said he would do anything to keep his grandkids safe that were starting college.

BeoBill · Mar 18, 2017

danb said:
I do not think it's a Miller thing. Campus carry is an issue all over the country. I think that the demanding MoMs and Bloomberg crowd are looking for a victory to say that they beat back the tide.

Yup - zakly! And throwing cash at it everywhere too.

BeoBill · Mar 18, 2017

dblas said:
Miller made it personal when he announced the bill last year and said he would do anything to keep his grandkids safe that were starting college.

Someone should point out to him that she would be a LOT safer if she was armed and could fight back.

Abacab · Mar 23, 2017

There's a battle royale going on in the Senate over this thing. I'd be mildly surprised if they had the votes to overcome a veto.

Some of the older black Senators have split with the younger (Smith) which has made this thing incredibly weak.

TopShelf · Mar 23, 2017

Good! Hopefully they don;t have the votes to get it to pass it in the first place!

esqappellate · Mar 24, 2017

TopShelf said:
Good! Hopefully they don;t have the votes to get it to pass it in the first place!

This is where the bill stands with passage at second reader yesterday. Notice how far it has been amended since the original bill was submitted. Senator Smith has consented to a *lot* with these amendments. It is radically different than HB 159 as it passed the House. This still has to pass third reader in the Senate.

rbird7282 · Mar 24, 2017

BeoBill said:
Someone should point out to him that she would be a LOT safer if she was armed and could fight back.

Clearly he doesn't care about her safety either.

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zoostation · Mar 24, 2017

rbird7282 said:
Clearly he doesn't care about her safety either.

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We're just the little people. And communist zealots have never hesitated to impose suffering on the little people for their grand ideas of Fantasyland.

Abacab · Mar 24, 2017

If it gets to the Governor, he better veto. My suspicion is....

zoostation · Mar 24, 2017

Abacab said:
If it gets to the Governor, he better veto. My suspicion is....

We don't know that his office isn't already talking to the turds and making a deal and that's why these amendments are in there. I have no idea, just saying it's possible. Annapolis is so much theater.

I think he definitely could sustain a veto in the Senate. Whether he will or not is another story because I am sure he knows if he does the antis will blame every shooting within a mile of a college on him until the next election, and the media will help them. In high crime places like Baltimore City where you have constant unrelated street crime on the property of or within a stone's throw of a college or university that could be a lot of bad press. And if there's one thing we know it's our governor hates the potential of bad press when it comes to supporting gun rights.

Jaybeez · Mar 24, 2017

esqappellate said:
This is where the bill stands with passage at second reader yesterday. Notice how far it has been amended since the original bill was submitted. Senator Smith has consented to a *lot* with these amendments. It is radically different than HB 159 as it passed the House. This still has to pass third reader in the Senate.

Time to remind the good senators that the entire 1972 prohibition on transporting and carrying handguns was only passed to justify "stop and frisk" harassment of black people. tAndhey were both enrolled together as emergency legislation. this bill just increases the chance that more minorties will be targeted for arrest.
Md criminal 4-206 stop and frisk

Much welcoming
Very sanctuary
Civility chosen

Cyndi59 · Mar 24, 2017

The Sheep Paddock Bill..??Fish In the Bucket Bill..??

Biggfoot44 · Mar 24, 2017

The criminal & rapist Empowerment Zone.

fidelity · Mar 24, 2017

Good point. Maryland - where the Democratic party works to put rapists in public schools but armed protectors out.

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dblas · Mar 24, 2017

SB 946 (The Senate version) passed 3rd reader by a vote of 27 - 20, and is heavily amended compared to the House bill.

Here is the voting record: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...b=subject3&id=sb0946,s-0798&stab=02&ys=2017RS

Now comes the fun part... The House bill needs a committee hearing and vote in the Senate. The Senate Bill needs a committee hearing and vote in the House.

For the House Bill, if it makes it out of committee and is amended in anyway in committee or during the floor vote (if it makes it that far) it then need to go back to the House for approval of the amendments. If the House does not accept the Amendments, then the bill has to go to conference committee to have the changes worked out. If it makes it out of conference committee then it has to pass a vote in both the House and Senate (again).

For the Senate bill - Same prices as above, just change "House" above to "Senate"

In order for either bill to make it to the Governors desk and for him to even consider a VETO, either bill has to make through the above process. Could it happen? Yep. Will it happen? I give it 40/60 of making out before sine die.

dblas · Mar 24, 2017

Abacab said:
If it gets to the Governor, he better veto. My suspicion is....

Still a very LONG way to go before we get to that concern, see my post above this one.

BigCity · Mar 24, 2017

Dan and Mark, et al,

Thanks for being in the forefront on this!

TopShelf · Mar 24, 2017

esqappellate said:
This is where the bill stands with passage at second reader yesterday. Notice how far it has been amended since the original bill was submitted. Senator Smith has consented to a *lot* with these amendments. It is radically different than HB 159 as it passed the House. This still has to pass third reader in the Senate.

dblas said:
SB 946 (The Senate version) passed 3rd reader by a vote of 27 - 20, and is heavily amended compared to the House bill.

Here is the voting record: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...b=subject3&id=sb0946,s-0798&stab=02&ys=2017RS

Now comes the fun part... The House bill needs a committee hearing and vote in the Senate. The Senate Bill needs a committee hearing and vote in the House.

For the House Bill, if it makes it out of committee and is amended in anyway in committee or during the floor vote (if it makes it that far) it then need to go back to the House for approval of the amendments. If the House does not accept the Amendments, then the bill has to go to conference committee to have the changes worked out. If it makes it out of conference committee then it has to pass a vote in both the House and Senate (again).

For the Senate bill - Same prices as above, just change "House" above to "Senate"

In order for either bill to make it to the Governors desk and for him to even consider a VETO, either bill has to make through the above process. Could it happen? Yep. Will it happen? I give it 40/60 of making out before sine die.

Thanks for the updates, and details on the process!

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