Question on HQL & designator collector

ForEnglandJames · Nov 15, 2016

I already did all the tasks for my HQL. I'm just waiting for approval now. Should happen in mid December.

The question then, since it takes up to two months to get approved for the C&R license, should I go ahead and send in the C&R letter or is it better to hold off until my HQL arrives?

swinokur · Nov 15, 2016

why wait? You don't need an HQL for an FFL 03. if you want to start buying, get it.

ForEnglandJames · Nov 15, 2016

swinokur said:
why wait? You don't need an HQL for an FFL 03. if you want to start buying, get it.

Maybe I'm not understanding. From previous posts, it would seem that you need to own a "regulated firearm" before the atf will issue you a ffl 03. In order to purchase the regulated firearm I need my HQL. Right?

swinokur · Nov 15, 2016

No the FFL is an Federal FFL License. Has zero to do with MD.

MSP has on accasion not issued a DC letter until you own a regulated firearm.

Apples and Oranges.

swinokur · Nov 15, 2016

The DC letter and HQL are MD things.

The FFL 03 is a Federal license.

The FFL 03 only requires a clean record and 30 bucks.

eruby · Nov 15, 2016

swinokur said:
The DC letter and HQL are MD things.

The FFL 03 is a Federal license.

The FFL 03 only requires a clean record and 30 bucks.

^^ This.

Sorry I misunderstood you Bond.

Get the 03 FFL.

NOTHING like having guns sent right to your house. :thumbsup:

BeoBill · Nov 15, 2016

Mark75H said:
C&R out of state: no HQL, no Designated Collector required.

Only FFL-03 is required for out of state C&R. MD Designated Collector Letter is worthless outside of Maryland.

Mark75H · Nov 15, 2016

BeoBill said:
Only FFL-03 is required for out of state C&R. MD Designated Collector Letter is worthless outside of Maryland.

My point was a C&R license (for C&R qualified firearms) exempts one from the HQL, 7 day wait and one per 30 days that the DC letter also exempts one from.

mopar92 · Nov 15, 2016

Mark75H said:
My point was a C&R license (for C&R qualified firearms) exempts one from the HQL, 7 day wait and one per 30 days that the DC letter also exempts one from.

In MD a C&R license does none of those things. In MD bonafide C&R handguns do NOT require the HQL OR an FFL03 (C&R Licensee) they DO require the completion and submission of a 77R to MSP the POC for NICS.

ALL handguns purchased in the state of MD require the completion of a 77R and the 7 day wait.

The DC (Designated Collector) letter exempts one from the 1 per 30 day rule.

IF one is applying for an HQL and has completed and submitted the form online then the DC letter should be able to be provided at the same time.

IIRC there is nowhere in COMAR that states a succesful purchase of a handgun or firearm that is treated as regulated is required PRIOR to the submission and issuance of a DC letter.

Mark75H · Nov 15, 2016

mopar92 said:
In MD a C&R license does none of those things. In MD bonafide C&R handguns do NOT require the HQL OR an FFL03 (C&R Licensee) they DO require the completion and submission of a 77R to MSP the POC for NICS.

ALL handguns purchased in the state of MD require the completion of a 77R and the 7 day wait.

The DC (Designated Collector) letter exempts one from the 1 per 30 day rule.

IF one is applying for an HQL and has completed and submitted the form online then the DC letter should be able to be provided at the same time.

IIRC there is nowhere in COMAR that states a succesful purchase of a handgun or firearm that is treated as regulated is required PRIOR to the submission and issuance of a DC letter.

What if I accidently left out "purchased from outside the state of MD" on post 28?

mopar92 · Nov 15, 2016

Mark75H said:
What if I accidently left out "purchased from outside the state of MD" on post 28?

Then that would nullify my post entirely as interstate firearms purchasing with an FFL03 has definitive advantages. And I would have to point out that C&R handguns legally purchased outside the state of MD are exempt from the 77R and 7 day wait with the submission of a copy of your FFL03 and government issued photo ID.

Mark75H · Nov 15, 2016

Good clarification of my omission

Pinecone · Nov 16, 2016

mopar92 said:
IIRC there is nowhere in COMAR that states a succesful purchase of a handgun or firearm that is treated as regulated is required PRIOR to the submission and issuance of a DC letter.

And since when has that stopped MSP before?

This is how they are handling it now.

You can either hire and lawyer and take them to court (which has been done). Or just buy a handgun.

Choice 1 gets you the DC and costs a few hundred dollars.

Choice 2 gets you the DC, costs you a few hundred dollars, and you get to keep the handgun.

swinokur · Nov 16, 2016

i'll take door number 2.

Rob R. · Nov 17, 2016

I sent out my request 3 weeks ago for collector (no reponse yet) and still waiting for my HQL (applied for HQL about a week before collector submission). Maybe by the turn of the century I'll have both. By the time I actually get a chance to apply for a carry permit they will have to hand it to my grand children as keep sake

RoadDawg · Nov 17, 2016

swinokur said:
except for buying one out of state. MSP will have no record of it.
.

While the comments and opinion contained in that letter are nice.

The last sentence is the true tell...

I hate disclaimers at the end of legal opinions... :sad20:

swinokur · Nov 17, 2016

makes you wonder why they even bother.

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