45 Homicides

I remember hearing something somewhere about 13 also being 50, but I can't, for the life of me, figure out what they actually meant by it...

Saw last night on Laura Ingraham some city just topped the “30 shootings in 30 hours” list. Can’t recall which of the trifecta cities...Baltimore, Chicago or Detroit, it was.

What is a “violence interrupter”?

Another name for police? “Community activist”?

Never heard that term before

Robert2888 said:

Can somebody fill me in on what the underlying issues are? The media says there are too many guns, that’s not true?

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Black and brown children are being told they can't succeed and are being preyed on by the "man." Which means different things depending on the situation.

Think "bigotry of low expectations."

Instead of being taught there is an over 80% chance of succeeding in life if you follow 3 rules.

1) Finish high school.
2) Wait until you are at least mid 20's before you get married.
3) Wait until you are married until having children.

YMMV

Now at 50

https://wtop.com/dc/2019/04/homicides-continue-upward-trend-in-the-district/

Apparently Shall Issue isn't ameliorating the situation. Hopefully it will end up saving a few formerly defenseless souls.

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https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/district-crime-data-glance


You can see the crime stats at this site but it doesn’t get updated until Monday and Twitter says a 16 yr old male was murdered yesterday

KevinK said:

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That sir is a classic and righteous post... Gunny Highway approves--

KevinK said:

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https://youtu.be/vKuqRcMELRo

Our entire legal system is based upon there being a relatively small percentage of lawbreakers. Counties with far less crime still have at least 1 jail and 1 courtroom which may not even have a full docket. When you consider Baltimore or D.C. the crime rate as well as absolute numbers of course, is far higher than the system can handle. The "system", courts, police etc. are not proportionately larger to handle the throughput. This, along with ignoring societal root causes as others above pointed out contributes to the catch and release we see so much of.

StantonCree said:

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https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/district-crime-data-glance


You can see the crime stats at this site but it doesn’t get updated until Monday and Twitter says a 16 yr old male was murdered yesterday

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https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vi...zf/files/772b0b11-092d-4666-9b01-de794d4fa666

Baltimore. 77. We are still number one !!

Amazing that people like this are walking among us.

Police say on Wednesday, April 17, Barry Holmes, 57, of Temple Hills, was shot after asking a pedestrian not to step on freshly laid asphalt at around 4:30 p.m. in the 5100 block of Southern Avenue.

Sources familiar with the investigation say a man and a woman were pushing an empty stroller while attempting to cross Southern Avenue from the Prince George’s County side to the D.C. side when Holmes asked them not to cross.

According to sources, the man told Holmes he was going to kill him and pulled a handgun from what appeared to be a diaper bag.

Holmes – then fearing for his life – began to run north on Southern Avenue before tiring and stopping. That’s when the gunman walked up to him and fired one round into his chest.

When officers arrived at the scene, police say they found Holmes suffering from a gunshot wound. He was transported to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead.

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https://www.fox5dc.com/amp/news/loc...lagger-in-southeast?__twitter_impression=true

BlueHeeler said:

Just a couple ideas...
Too many guns in the hands of prohibited persons
Refusal to prosecute said felons for gun crimes
Refusal to prosecute straw purchasers
Implementing the Near Act
Disbandment of the vice squads
Councilpersons more concerned with protecting criminals than victims

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You are 100% correct. And before the Near Act DC was implementing precursor policies reflected in that insane legislation that drove up crime as well

1) Washington DC likely has the highest rate of illegal possessors to legal possessors in the world. The gun possession rate if DC residents estimated at near 25%. The number of individual DC residents (plus non residents) holding registrations is about just over 1.5%.

The 23.5% criminal possessors is is probably close to the number of prohibited persons

Despite people on these forums knowing DC has been forced to vastly reduce infringements on ownership and carry, most Law abiding DC residents probably still think it is too many hoops, so we have a very high relative number of armed bad guys.

>refusal to prosecute said felons

Even worse is refusal to prosecute even misdemeanor gun crime. Arrest for illegal possession get often pled down to nothing and often papered, illegal carry pled to mere possession, ADW down to "unlawful discharge."


2) DC incarceration rates:
At the low point of homicide a few years back: 2,500.
DC incarceration persons today: under 1,500.
DC has a very high closure rate on homicide. So we have a pretty good idea who is committing the homicides. DChomicidewatch when it was active showed over 90% of the perpetrators already have criminal histories, most have many prior arrests. So too, not incidentally do the great majority of the DC homicide victims.

The decline in homicide rates as incarceration rose in DC, and the rise in in homicide rates since incarceration rates fell the past few years, does not just correlate - it is patently and obviously a causal relationship.

Personally I do believe in giving people second chances. I am glad there are no personal use marijuana arrests sending anyone to jail. (there were very few anyway in the past 25 years, contrary to the claims by the "Prison reform" advocates) I also don't want some 20 year old kid who has had a very tough childhood and no priors get thrown in prison for shoplifting.

But the fact is virtually all the violence in today's society is done by a tiny group of repeat criminals. It is not this idiotic term of "gun violence" or "knife violence"-- it is "criminal violence."

Last night should be 57-58

IMO, you have got to look at the root cause of the problem but nobody seems to really want to talk about it or don't understand it.
But before I say anything about that I want to ask you this; Who is it that has created the system of laws and loopholes that have hamstrung the justice system and law enforcement so badly that the criminals have become victims (unless it's you or me) and the real victims of crime rarely matter (unless they can be used for political gain)? Who created these laws that have created a lucrative market for lawyers?

rascal said:

But the fact is virtually all the violence in today's society is done by a tiny group of repeat criminals. It is not this idiotic term of "gun violence" or "knife violence"-- it is "criminal violence."

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Hit the nail on the head there. Guns don't commit crimes - criminals do. And they'll do it with whatever tools they have. Take guns away, and they'll do it with something else. The key to reducing crime is dealing with the criminals, but the media and government seem happier to blame "scary, evil" guns. Funny, they don't call for a ban on knives when someone gets stabbed. You don't hear stories about "fist violence" when someone gets beaten. Dems need to wake up.

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Hit the nail on the head there. Guns don't commit crimes - criminals do. And they'll do it with whatever tools they have. Take guns away, and they'll do it with something else. The key to reducing crime is dealing with the criminals, but the media and government seem happier to blame "scary, evil" guns. Funny, they don't call for a ban on knives when someone gets stabbed. You don't hear stories about "fist violence" when someone gets beaten. Dems need to wake up.

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According to Chief Newsham the average person caught for a gun crime has 9-10 previous arrests.

And 45% are under some sort of supervision for a previous gun violation.

Absurd.

BlueHeeler said:

According to Chief Newsham the average person caught for a gun crime has 9-10 previous arrests.
And 45% are under some sort of supervision for a previous gun violation.
Absurd.

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Baltimore it is 90% of murder perps have one arrest, and over 80% a felony or ten arrests.

This is why the "prison reform" groups, which lobbying groups for criminal lawyers keep claiming we need to reduce prison populations. They know it causes more crime and gives them more business.

They yammer about people arrested for carrying personal use amounts of marijuana, when the data shows that is not even 0.003% of people in prison.

Lowering actual time served for serious crime increases murder rates.

Robert2888 said:

Can somebody fill me in on what the underlying issues are? The media says there are too many guns, that’s not true?

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Family structure - courtesy of LBJ
Schools - courtesy of NEA
Jobs - courtesy of the unions

rascal said:

Baltimore it is 90% of murder perps have one arrest, and over 80% a felony or ten arrests.

This is why the "prison reform" groups, which lobbying groups for criminal lawyers keep claiming we need to reduce prison populations. They know it causes more crime and gives them more business.

They yammer about people arrested for carrying personal use amounts of marijuana, when the data shows that is not even 0.003% of people in prison.

Lowering actual time served for serious crime increases murder rates.

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It amazes me that the people/politicians/activists that have the biggest ideas on reform are willfully ignorant of crime statistics.

DOJ has extensive data on arrests, prosecutions, recidivism, and prison populations.

What are "prison reform" groups even doing if they refuse to address the problems with evidence based solutions?