CNJA Amicus brief filed in Mark Cheeseman carry petition at Supreme Court

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  • press1280

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    Jun 11, 2010
    7,878
    WV
    You guys really did your homework. Very interesting stuff here, clearly showing the NJ carry permit scheme we know today as something that was not intended in the 1960s and that this is a creation of the NJ Supremes but later adopted by the legislature.
     

    N3YMY

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    Jan 21, 2013
    2,763
    Wow; such lies, fabrication and by pass of legal process on the part of NJ.

    One wonders how anyone can trust any thing claimed by government at all.

    If you doubt this, read the brief...
     

    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,154
    They did it because of what happened three years in the future? Anyone who believes government speak should read that brief. Good job.
     

    Fedora

    Active Member
    Dec 16, 2018
    125
    Cheeseman . . . crickets?

    The Cheeseman conference was Friday 18 Oct. Earlier today Orders were released and . . . nothing. Does this suggest that Cheeseman has joined Pena / Mance / Rogers / Gould / Young as future GVRs?

    That would support the thought that the NYSR&PA will be a doozy.
     

    jcutonilli

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    Mar 28, 2013
    2,474
    The Cheeseman conference was Friday 18 Oct. Earlier today Orders were released and . . . nothing. Does this suggest that Cheeseman has joined Pena / Mance / Rogers / Gould / Young as future GVRs?

    That would support the thought that the NYSR&PA will be a doozy.

    yes, no denial or relist means its also being held.

    The correct answer is that it is unknown. There is no conference Fri so any relist will not be known until next Mon. It is likely being held though.
     

    delaware_export

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 10, 2018
    3,142
    For the legal folks:

    Is this holding viewed as a good thing?

    If they, scotus, were planning on a narrow ruling, or dropping the case/mute NYC, would they hold the several that are in the channels?

    Could this mean they are thinking about a ruling that would be strong guidance about infringing?

    Or something else? No telling what?
     

    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
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    Dec 21, 2008
    49,360
    SoMD / West PA
    For the legal folks:

    Is this holding viewed as a good thing?

    If they, scotus, were planning on a narrow ruling, or dropping the case/mute NYC, would they hold the several that are in the channels?

    Could this mean they are thinking about a ruling that would be strong guidance about infringing?

    Or something else? No telling what?

    It's not bad.

    More like limbo...
     

    Kharn

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 9, 2008
    3,578
    Hazzard County
    Holding the case means one of a possible set of outcomes:
    1) A per curiam opinion is being written, extremely unlikely given the reach beyond Heller/McDonald/Caetano each of the cases and the breadth of cases being held.

    2) They're expecting a case currently having already received cert to dispose of each case with relevant precedent.

    3) A dissent from denial of cert is being written, Thomas has stated his disagreement with cert denials on 2A cases multiple times and challenged the court to grant cert instead of being cowards, sometimes in lengthy writings.

    A mixture is possible but unlikely. I expect they're planning on NYSRPA v NYC providing guidance to all of the held cases.
     

    Kharn

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 9, 2008
    3,578
    Hazzard County
    Finally got around to reading the Amicus.
    Aberdeen MD keeping it classy even 50 years ago.
    That was probably also the first gun store they could find after crossing the MD state line.
     

    delaware_export

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 10, 2018
    3,142
    Thanks. I missed a few of the terms, the legal ones, like point one per curiam but the point you made in the last paragraph is kinda what I am thinking. Guidance for the other cases.

    And hopefully strong guidance! In the form of major 2a support. As strongly as they support rights protected by the other amendments.

    Holding the case means one of a possible set of outcomes:
    1) A per curiam opinion is being written, extremely unlikely given the reach beyond Heller/McDonald/Caetano each of the cases and the breadth of cases being held.

    2) They're expecting a case currently having already received cert to dispose of each case with relevant precedent.

    3) A dissent from denial of cert is being written, Thomas has stated his disagreement with cert denials on 2A cases multiple times and challenged the court to grant cert instead of being cowards, sometimes in lengthy writings.

    A mixture is possible but unlikely. I expect they're planning on NYSRPA v NYC providing guidance to all of the held cases.
     

    press1280

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 11, 2010
    7,878
    WV
    Think of it this way. If Scotus rules that intermediate scrutiny is the wrong test, pretty much all the crappy opinions that we've lost all of a sudden are likely voided and we start from scratch at the lower courts.
     

    krucam

    Ultimate Member
    Think of it this way. If Scotus rules that intermediate scrutiny is the wrong test, pretty much all the crappy opinions that we've lost all of a sudden are likely voided and we start from scratch at the lower courts.

    Correct if they rule on Scrutiny, aka the 2A 2 Step. The point has been made however that Means End Scrutiny is incorrect (Rational, Intermediate, Strict). That History/Time/Text analysis is the correct way to do the analysis. There were 3 and am on my phone and cant remember.

    Anywhoose, the Means End Scrutiny "could" be toast IF the case isnt mooted.
     

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