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Old July 2nd, 2017, 11:07 AM #41
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I once had a Chief of Police tell me he would rather be shot with a .38 than a .22. His reasoning is that a .38 will generally go straight and confine it's damage to its immediate area where a .22 bounces around, ricocheting off ribs and other bones.

When I was a police officer I saw a shooting victim who had what appeared a survivable abdominal wound. What actually occurred was the round (a .38) ricocheted off a rib and cut cut his aorta and he bled out by the time he arrived at the hospital, despite the efforts of the paramedics. That kind of put perspective on what the police chief said. All bullet wounds can be fatal...placement, caliber and bullet design, happenstance, luck and the will to live of the victim all make a difference.
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The trauma guy who posted here infrequently said that 2 or more of ANYTHING gave him more trouble in the ER and least chance of survival for the victim than the best penetrating, super flesh tearing magic bullet single shot regardless of caliber.
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Naaa, it's still a rimfire. I won't use a rimfire in a semi auto platform. If I'm using a .22 mag, it's going to be a revolver. As for 30 rounds, I do't plan on missing that much.



I have a 22 Mag revolver, but the coolness factor on this gun is massive. It is on the handgun roster, but you'd have to buy it without magazines and then get the mags out of state.


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Any .22's fail?

I don't know about you guys, BUT...

I've had a lot of mis-fires with 22 LR rim fire ammo...

These were shot of of GREAT Guns a Ruger 2245 Mark 2 & a S&W 617 Revolver...

Failure to fire in a life & death situation is NOT acceptable...

Meanwhile I can't ever remember having a misfire with a 38 Special...

When my life is on the line I like a center-fire cartridge in a revolver...
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I don't know about you guys, BUT...



I've had a lot of mis-fires with 22 LR rim fire ammo...



These were shot of of GREAT Guns a Ruger 2245 Mark 2 & a S&W 617 Revolver...



Failure to fire in a life & death situation is NOT acceptable...



Meanwhile I can't ever remember having a misfire with a 38 Special...



When my life is on the line I like a center-fire cartridge in a revolver...


This is my downstairs emergency gun, a Smith & Wesson Model 37 with five rounds of Hornady Critical Duty 38 Special and a speed loader with five more rounds. It's older than I am, but I trust it.


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Love me a wheel gun with some character. That old girl looks like she has some stories to tell.
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You can bet your ... I'm grabbing the one on the top. But, in the heat of battle whose going to be able to tell the difference.

Top: S&W Model 19. .357 Magnum
Bottom: S&W Model 17. .22 LR

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There is the one report of single shot stops by caliber, that shows .22 LR doing fairly well.

IMO, there are those situations that will be stopped by shooting the perp with ANYTHING. The fact that you shot them, stops them. It is more of a mental stop.

The problem is, the others. Those on drugs, or just flat crazy. THOSE need to be physically stopped, so that their body will not follow through with their desired or attempted actions. In those cases, you need more than a .22.

BUT, a .22 is better than no gun at all.
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Yeah I'd imagine one of the reasons of the high 22lr lethality is a lot more people end up getting shot multiple times. Sometimes a whole lot of multiple times. Compared to a centerfire, where often times it might be shot once or twice.
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We never said high lethality of .22lr , we just said lots of people killed .
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My main concern with 22LR is feeding. Seems more finicky than full size centerfire rounds. That said, I can pepper a moving 8 inch steel circle at 50 yards without a sweat so there's no doubt the lack of power can be mitigated by the fact it's so damn easy to shoot quickly and accurately.
9 shot revolver with hollow points. 6" barrel to insure a muzzle velocity that results in good expansion.
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9 shot revolver with hollow points. 6" barrel to insure a muzzle velocity that results in good expansion.
You might get expansion but round penetration will likely suck.
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You might get expansion but round penetration will likely suck.
Which begs the question.......... Would you rather have someone jam a small steel rod into you 4-5 inches OR take a 1/2 deep scoop out of you with a tomato corer ?
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You can bet your ... I'm grabbing the one on the top. But, in the heat of battle whose going to be able to tell the difference.

Top: S&W Model 19. .357 Magnum
Bottom: S&W Model 17. .22 LR

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Which begs the question.......... Would you rather have someone jam a small steel rod into you 4-5 inches OR take a 1/2 deep scoop out of you with a tomato corer ?
The 4-5 inch penetration is more likely to be fatal.
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This will most likely be in the other hand....



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This is my downstairs emergency gun, a Smith & Wesson Model 37 with five rounds of Hornady Critical Duty 38 Special and a speed loader with five more rounds. It's older than I am, but I trust it.


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I have a model 36 that looks just like your 37. It was made in 1950 something and I keep it loaded with Barnes 140 gn ammo as my living room gun. I have two speed loaders to go with it.
I had to dremel the lower front edge of the cylinder release so that the speed loader would work correctly. I also put Pachmyer grips on it for obvious reasons.


   
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