Member since 2014... has posted 10 posts over the last 5 years, and at least 10% of those are about how we should roll over because bump stocks aren't important enough to defend.
Wow. Just, wow.
Wow. Just, wow.
ATF Admits It Lacked Authority To Ban Bump Stocks
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alucard0822
For great Justice
IMO, yea it's a toy, but problem is it is an example of the ATF basically being directed to reverse a longstanding decision on a product that they found to be lawful. This in turn forced thousands of people, who bought that product lawfully, and used it lawfully to either surrender or destroy it due to a knee jerk directive by an agency of un-elected burocrats. It's not the product per-se that is the problem, it is the new method used to create felons out of law abiding people, all by the order of an agency with little if any public oversight. The fear is what comes next, pistol braces, AR15s, anything semi-auto, etc. They routinely stretch ANY burocratic infringement or rule against us, 922r was intended to prevent the importation of unsafe firearms, turned into a snobby "sporting use" definition in the language as passed, and as a result perfectly safe arms like GLOCK 25s, 28s, Benelli M4s with collapsible stocks and most any pistol grip semi-auto rifle were effectively banned. It's little comfort that in this particular case they admit to overstepping their authority, with a "sorry we didn't ban these correctly, but we will still kick in your door if you have one"
This... if they can ban slide-fire, they can ban magazines. If they can ban magazines, they can ban scopes. If they can ban scopes, they can ban ammo.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 30,925
You mean the serial infringements that have been grinding us down since 1934?
Sure, another piece of the pie. But it's going fast, and they have said they intend to take the rest of it, like or not.
So long as folks with your attitude are ok with it, you can look forward to a nice comfy totalitarian state a few years after they've disarmed the law-abiding.
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It's not about bump stocks, it's about PRINCIPLE. Never allow the interpretation of a statute to be distorted for any reason, whether it hurt you, or helps you, or you just don't care.
If that kind of behavior is turned on and off based on whim, or which group is screaming the loudest, then nothing in statute, or the constitution for that matter, means anything. You've got to insist they do it right every time, so some day when they get around to dealing with something you do care about, it will be handled the proper way.
ETA: Yeah, you only have so much energy, time, and resources (like money and political capital) so you have to pick your battles, but scarcity of resources may be the reason to not fight something, but not for lack of importance.
If that kind of behavior is turned on and off based on whim, or which group is screaming the loudest, then nothing in statute, or the constitution for that matter, means anything. You've got to insist they do it right every time, so some day when they get around to dealing with something you do care about, it will be handled the proper way.
ETA: Yeah, you only have so much energy, time, and resources (like money and political capital) so you have to pick your battles, but scarcity of resources may be the reason to not fight something, but not for lack of importance.
randomuser
Ultimate Member
What would these guys say to these infringements?
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
It wasn’t bureaucrats making the decision. The president ordered the attorney general, who ordered the acting head of the ATF to promulgate the regulation banning them. And ignore all public comment against the ban.
That’s an elected politician and some political appointees. The career bureaucrats had almost nothing to do with it other than not wanting to lose their jobs, so they did what their boss, their bosses boss and their bosses bosses boss told them to do.
Or they made sure it happened quickly enough to make sure it hung snugly around Trumps neck. If every other agency is getting away with resisting presidential authority why didn’t the ATF drag their feet too?
He's talking about the ever-savvy wordsmith......Trump.
For anyone confused on the topic.
Remember, he likes to "take the guns first,...THEN go to court".
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
Anything else to say troll? Or did you slough back under your bridge?
Kicken Wing
Snakes and Sparklers
That is a great group of memes. It's accurate. Thanks for posting, I have to steal these.
rockstarr
Major Deplorable
I wonder how much longer we'll all be able to shoulder/have ar-pistols for.
I always feel like that is just a atf morning decision away
I always feel like that is just a atf morning decision away
- Nov 11, 2009
- 30,925
Well, they first said you can't, then they seemed to change their mind, such as it is. Maybe if we just let it lie there undisturbed, and Trump appoints a Director who favors 2A, the question will just go away.
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