US Army Adopting 6.8?

Johnconlee · Apr 20, 2022

camo556 said:
Say goodbye to all your poop eating direct impingement guns boomers. The Next Generation Squad Weapon is here in 6.8x51. It's a piston gun. Yes they are wasting money on ammo so hot it needs a hybrid case, which burns barrels worse than the STD I gave your mom last night. But its your money to waste, not theirs. So shut yer redneck piehole and crack a red ~~pill~~ bull.

SIG Sauer Wins US Army Next Generation Squad Weapon Contract -

It has announced that SIG Sauer's submission has been selected as the US Army's Next Generation Squad Weapon. SIG will provide the 6.8mm NGSW-rifle and NGSW-Automatic Rifle.

www.thefirearmblog.com

Dont worry for the low low price of $38,000.00 plus $34.99 shipping, plus $400 in stamp taxes, plus $150 in NFA transfer fees, plus 1.9% of the final sales price for insurance, you can get it ~~today~~ in 10-12 months with ATF permission (because this is the 13" SBR with suppressor).

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/926753767

I’m in if they’ll ship it free. I don’t pay shipping.

jrumann59 · Apr 20, 2022

n1hook said:
What recoil an issue,ww1 303!3006, ww2 3006,Korea 3006…what has happened to the younger generation? Pronoun learning! Equity…not on the battlefield.
How revitalization of the cmp..why are th3y still using th3 M1 garand!a fine rifle,but to engage youth when for decades 556 has been the military issue round is self defeating.
How many youngsters show up for a cmp range session shooting M1 garands..
I started when I was 16 years old shooting at cmp events through. Local gun club,it helped when I served in the Army.
I only wish it was better,more detailed.

With more woman in the armed services and also they can now be front line soldiers and the COD generation. The military has always favored accurate volume over just accuracy.

Ponder_MD · Apr 20, 2022

n1hook said:
How many youngsters show up for a cmp range session shooting M1 garands..

Define "young?" At 49 years old, I am among the youngest members of practically any club or organization that I join. I shoot M1.
Mentally, I'm 21. :party29:

Park ranger · Apr 20, 2022

I started shooting with the DCM ( now CMP) at 15 with an m1.

camo556 · Apr 20, 2022

lmao.

alucard0822 · Apr 20, 2022

I'm interested in the technology. Basically using new designs to increase pressure and velocity without increasing case size. Sig has stated in addition to the 3 peice ammo case there is a barrel coating/insert to increase service life to be comparable to 7.62 Nato specs. Figure the M60 had a stelite chamber to double the lifespan over chrome lining about 60+ years ago, so whatever new metal or ceramic Sig is using is something to keep an eye on.

Sundazes · Apr 20, 2022

I got an email from Sig this morning saying they won a 6.8 weapon system contract. See link

http://app.e.sigsauer.com/e/es?s=21...29ef89415497f5cadca5eea6b5&elqaid=845&elqat=1

woodline · Apr 20, 2022

n1hook said:
What recoil an issue,ww1 303!3006, ww2 3006,Korea 3006…what has happened to the younger generation? Pronoun learning! Equity…not on the battlefield.
How revitalization of the cmp..why are th3y still using th3 M1 garand!a fine rifle,but to engage youth when for decades 556 has been the military issue round is self defeating.
How many youngsters show up for a cmp range session shooting M1 garands..
I started when I was 16 years old shooting at cmp events through. Local gun club,it helped when I served in the Army.
I only wish it was better,more detailed.

I think? You’re trying to articulate that the recoil is fine and modern generations are weak?

If so I would point out that the infantryman of today carries a much heavier load than that of WWII. Adding to it is not going to make them more effective. Additionally there are issues with using a round with that much ass in urban combat in particular, and really for anything outside of ranged combat. I’m a pretty large, strong fella, and my split times go up quite a bit with .308 vs 5.56.

Also it turns out that the Russians mostly stuff cardboard into their plate carriers instead of body armor, so the whole need identified by TRADOC appears to have been overblown.

woodline · Apr 20, 2022

alucard0822 said:
I'm interested in the technology. Basically using new designs to increase pressure and velocity without increasing case size. Sig has stated in addition to the 3 peice ammo case there is a barrel coating/insert to increase service life to be comparable to 7.62 Nato specs. Figure the M60 had a stelite chamber to double the lifespan over chrome lining about 60+ years ago, so whatever new metal or ceramic Sig is using is something to keep an eye on.

I agree, this is potentially a giant breakthrough. If barrel life does equate to 7.62 NATO then I think we are going to see some real screamer cartridges using similar technology once it has propagated.

There’s definitely a lot of good to go with the bad from NGSW.

smokey · Apr 20, 2022

alucard0822 said:
I'm interested in the technology. Basically using new designs to increase pressure and velocity without increasing case size. Sig has stated in addition to the 3 peice ammo case there is a barrel coating/insert to increase service life to be comparable to 7.62 Nato specs. Figure the M60 had a stelite chamber to double the lifespan over chrome lining about 60+ years ago, so whatever new metal or ceramic Sig is using is something to keep an eye on.

It would be interesting to see the hybrid case design and 80,000psi in a grendel loading or 6.5 prc. The case technology is pretty cool.

babalou · Apr 20, 2022

saw this on TV a couple times

US Military Adopts Hornady's New Cartridge: 6mm ARC

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/hornady-6mm-arc/376852
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/hornady-6mm-arc/376852

camo556 · Apr 20, 2022

The hybrid case design is online.

277 SIG Fury: SIG Sauer Unveils New Caliber With Hybrid Case Design

Earlier this week, SIG Sauer unveiled the Cross. The Cross is first-ever bolt-action rifle built by SIG from the ground

www.tactical-life.com

alucard0822 · Apr 20, 2022

babalou said:
saw this on TV a couple times

US Military Adopts Hornady's New Cartridge: 6mm ARC
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/hornady-6mm-arc/376852
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/hornady-6mm-arc/376852

different caliber, that is about as much power and range as you can get in an AR15, 1800FPE with bullets over .500BC, it basically ties 6.5 Grendel for energy, but has better BC, and can beat 308 ballistics at long range. Hornady claims an un-named government agency or unit adopted it. The 277 Fury is Sig's baby, and basically about as much power and range as you can squeeze into a 7.62 nato platform. That is what the OP is referring to, it requires new technology to run at higher pressures than most any current caliber.

babalou · Apr 20, 2022

alucard0822 said:
different caliber, that is about as much power and range as you can get in an AR15, 1800FPE with bullets over .500BC, it basically ties 6.5 Grendel for energy, but has better BC, and can beat 308 ballistics at long range. Hornady claims an un-named government agency or unit adopted it. The 277 Fury is Sig's baby, and basically about as much power and range as you can squeeze into a 7.62 nato platform. That is what the OP is referring to, it requires new technology to run at higher pressures than most any current caliber.

I know. They were using AR10 platforms but claimed they wanted a lighter rifle so the 6.0 was it. The 277 is interesting. I have read about 270 AR10 platform calibers but have never seen one.

jrumann59 · Apr 20, 2022

way I see it 3 part case is 2 more failure points and only can imagine what that failure looks like. Think about about an AR now with short head spacing you pop a primer and lock up your FCG with the Fury case you are hoping for a popped primer...

LeadSled1 · Apr 20, 2022

The .277 Fury is supposed to have more energy and better ballistics at 1,000 yards than the 6.5 Creedmore. Some special operations units that started ordering M240s in the 6.5 have canceled their orders after running the NGSW in .277.

jrumann59 · Apr 20, 2022

LeadSled1 said:
The .277 Fury is supposed to have more energy and better ballistics at 1,000 yards than the 6.5 Creedmore. Some special operations units that started ordering M240s in the 6.5 have canceled their orders after running the NGSW in .277.

Sweet that first round will find its spot but after that watch out.....

DC-W · May 15, 2022

Flannel Daddy likes as a stand-alone rifle. Thinks it’s fantastic. However, he’s not sure if it’s right as an infantry replacement for the M4.

teratos · May 15, 2022

LeadSled1 said:
The .277 Fury is supposed to have more energy and better ballistics at 1,000 yards than the 6.5 Creedmore. Some special operations units that started ordering M240s in the 6.5 have canceled their orders after running the NGSW in .277.

Huh. This could make a great bench rifle round.

camo556 · May 15, 2022

The MCX spear is definitely a great rifle. The suppressor is great too.

Its the 6.8x51 I doubt. In some other cartridge, I'd probably be an enjoyer.

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