What happens if the 2nd house amends the bill in committee or 2nd reader so it's different than what the 1st house passed? What is the reconciliation procedure?
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What happens if the 2nd house amends the bill in committee or 2nd reader so it's different than what the 1st house passed? What is the reconciliation procedure?
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
I believe it goes to a committee to resolve the differences
I have great respect for cops, but just like any other profession, there are good ones and bad ones. The bad ones rarely suffer consequences if their actions. And there are plenty of times it is clear that their actions were wrong or the officer’s actions, against training (or no training) escalated the situation rather than diffused it or were neutral.
Obviously this is uncommon or there’d be hundreds of people killed by cops daily. But if you look at financial settlements for wrongful deaths, there are hundreds of them across the US per year. Prosecutions fewer, because prosecutors give officers the benefit of the doubt, judges do too and so do juries (or at least a sufficient number of the populace to prevent a guilty verdict).
But with the lower standard that civil cases require, most cities and counties can objectively look at a case and see when they have a reasonable chance of winning or not and choose to settle for millions of dollars in many cases. I assume they aren’t doing that because their attorneys are lazy.
There sure are cases that are arm chair quarterbacked to the nines. Hell, let’s be honest ALL police shooting cases are. But in many of those cases the arm chair quarterbacks end up being right (I’d consider a few hundred a year out of 4000 (I think that is the number) or so police involved shootings a lot).
But an officer doing the wrong thing or being responsible for a situation ending in a police shooting doesn’t rise to the level of criminality in many cases. At least not convictable. You generally have to show absolutely clear and convincing evidence the officer went in there intending to kill the victim. Like shooting them in the back as they are running away obviously unarmed with no one else around.
Correct. Once the committee agrees to the final bill (assuming they do) the committee agreed Bill then goes back to both houses for another vote.
Seems to be the other way around. He shot and killed 5 people at the first mosque before being confronted by an unarmed man who threw a credit card reader at him, he dropped his shotgun and ran back to his car for another gun and the unarmed guy picked up the shotgun, tried to shoot the perp and found it empty and threw the shotgun through the perps car window. At which point the killer drove off to the next mosque where he killed 40+ more.
Huh, would be interesting media optics to get some people protesting against the Bloomberg sponsored security legislation wearing MDA or Everytown t-shirts ... the kids want security on campus ... they just don't want them armed.
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It goes back to the house of origination for them to vote on accepting the amendments. If they do not accept all of the amendments, then it goes to conference committee. 6 members, 3 from each house, appointed by the Speaker and the President.
Once the bill is hashed out, it is then returned to both houses to be voted on. If it approved by both houses then it goes to the Governor.
Bert and Lazarus, you both missed the first step as noted above. But you guys have the gist of it.
After reading the article, it mentions a loophole in the law. It said people could go out of state an buy rifles and shotguns without a background check. Isn't that already against federal law? Anyone want to email the author and tell her?
Edit: I sent her an email of the BATF frequently asked questions regarding out of state sales.
2. May I lawfully transfer a firearm to a friend who resides in a different State? Under Federal law, an unlicensed individual is prohibited from transferring a firearm to an individual who does not reside in the State where the transferee resides. Generally, for a person to lawfully transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person who resides out of State, the firearm must be shipped to a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) within the recipient’s State of residence. He or she may then receive the firearm from the FFL upon completion of an ATF Form 4473 and a NICS background check. More information can be obtained on the ATF website at www.atf.gov and http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html. The GCA provides an exception from this prohibition for temporary loans or rentals of firearms for lawful sporting purposes. Thus, for example, a friend visiting you may borrow a firearm from you to go hunting. Another exception is provided for transfers of firearms to nonresidents to carry out a lawful bequest or acquisition by intestate succession. This exception would authorize the transfer of a firearm to a nonresident who inherits a firearm under the will of a decedent. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(5).
esqappellate
President, MSI
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It is against federal law. And yes, the good delegate has been told. And no, I don't think she understands.
whistlersmother
Peace through strength
No bet here. The apples don't fall far from the tree...
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esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
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Very little. Perhaps a deposition, but unlikely
I will speak with my LGS on Monday and see what they say. They’re as good as it gets so if they aren’t able, we would definitely be willing. They, like me are not happy with the way MD treats anyone who has a firearm related hobby. I also messaged on twitter so whenever responds there can ignore me, since I’m posting here.
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danb
dont be a dumbass
Other states like NY force privates sales to go through NICS background check. FFLs charge a nominal fee. ATF guidance allows it. In fact not only to they allow it, they "encourage" it. https://www.atf.gov/file/56331/download. There are even codes for it in the system: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...em-now-has-classifications-for-private-sales/
Frankly I dont think we should be wasting much time on the amended bill, they stripped out most everything. We should be spending time drumming up support for eliminating the ridiculous G&S process.
Frankly I dont think we should be wasting much time on the amended bill, they stripped out most everything. We should be spending time drumming up support for eliminating the ridiculous G&S process.
I politely disagree. Until it is signed into law, we need to fight it as hard as we can. They want these infringements, as bad as we wanted some lovin’ back as high schoolers. Just the tip, when all of us know that’s not all
We wanted. The Dems are the same way.
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We wanted. The Dems are the same way.
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danb
dont be a dumbass
Maybe they want infringements, or maybe they simply want us distracted and divided, pouring all our energy in the wrong place. Time and energy is finite, and this is not the prize. Are some people fighting for things like removing wear and carry restrictions as hard as they are fighting against this? I am not so sure.
Jesus H Christ, Atterbeary! How can you possibly write laws without understanding current laws!?!?
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