Can an employer not allow a firearm in a vehicle?

welder516 · May 14, 2019

I thought it was illegal to store firearms in cars/trucks in Maryland , that is where some of the conflict comes in with the old HPRB and now the OAH . It now places a extra burden on legal carry persons .

This is what i thought

Occam · May 14, 2019

welder516 said:
I thought it was illegal to store firearms in cars/trucks in Maryland , that is where some of the conflict comes in with the old HPRB and now the OAH . It now places a extra burden on legal carry persons.

Depends on your restrictions or lack of them.

fidelity · May 14, 2019

welder516 said:
I thought it was illegal to store firearms in cars/trucks in Maryland , that is where some of the conflict comes in with the old HPRB and now the OAH . It now places a extra burden on legal carry persons .

This is what i thought

Occam said:
Depends on your restrictions or lack of them.

And you're both referring to handguns (vs long guns) to clarify for other readers.

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Bigfoot21075 · May 14, 2019

KevinK said:
Are you getting it's a company car from the bolded above?

I think it's a personal car the OP means.

Correct - this person has NO company car, and this is for handguns - hence the wear carry permit - However it seems it would apply to either.

welder516 · May 14, 2019

fidelity said:
And you're both referring to handguns (vs long guns) to clarify for other readers.

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Sorry , did not get that . Yes i was talking about handguns only .

TexDefender · May 14, 2019

KevinK said:
Are you getting it's a company car from the bolded above?

I think it's a personal car the OP means.

Yes I am. Is the lot company property or if it leased, does it have stipulations as well?

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TomisinMd · May 14, 2019

Company lot company rules.......NO!!! (my company has them in place)
Even if its not company lot ... NO!!!! by some reason, do you want to risk your job, or do you want a "career defining moment"????

Just those two are enough to go wow man, why???

But, common sense tells me, aint no way im locking a weapon away unattended like that....just nooo way.

antco · May 14, 2019

Bigfoot21075 said:
Can a company in Maryland not allow its employees to have a legal firearm locked in their vehicles in the parking lot? The employee in question does have a wear carry permit in Maryland.

To clean up your statement and eliminate some of the ensuing confusion, you're asking:

Can a non-felon adult in the state of Maryland, legally secure/lock their personal firearm out of sight in a personal vehicle, while parked in an employers private parking lot?

I'm not a lawyer and you'll get as good of advice as you pay for, but keep silent about it and nobody will know about it. Simple as that.

alucard0822 · May 14, 2019

there is the BS MD transport law, permit restrictions and all to consider. However, my car= my property, what I keep in it is none of their business, If a job requires I submit to a search of personal property to maintain employment, then gun or not, guess I quit. The real question is to what degree do property rights extend vs personal rights, businesses can't discriminate based on a pile of demographic criteria, can't refuse to allow service dogs, medical apparatus, and must accommodate a number of personal needs by law, so currently I'll carry right past the sign, and sleep just fine. If the right to defend oneself was respected on the same level as one's right to an emotional support hamster, or a buisness would be liable for injuries suffered by a person who was disarmed by their policy, then these BS policies wouldn't be as prevelent as they are. If one brings up the Libertarian ideal situation where a property owner is free to discriminate at will, they can refuse entry to who they wish, even then they still cannot go around kidnapping people, beating random guests or hold someone for ransom, all they can do is ask someone to leave if they cannot come to an agreement.

Not_an_outlaw · May 14, 2019

alucard0822 said:
there is the BS MD transport law, permit restrictions and all to consider. However, my car= my property, what I keep in it is none of their business, If a job requires I submit to a search of personal property to maintain employment, then gun or not, guess I quit. The real question is to what degree do property rights extend vs personal rights, businesses can't discriminate based on a pile of demographic criteria, can't refuse to allow service dogs, medical apparatus, and must accommodate a number of personal needs by law, so currently I'll carry right past the sign, and sleep just fine. If the right to defend oneself was respected on the same level as one's right to an emotional support hamster, or a buisness would be liable for injuries suffered by a person who was disarmed by their policy, then these BS policies wouldn't be as prevelent as they are. If one brings up the Libertarian ideal situation where a property owner is free to discriminate at will, they can refuse entry to who they wish, even then they still cannot go around kidnapping people, beating random guests or hold someone for ransom, all they can do is ask someone to leave if they cannot come to an agreement.

I'm kind of thinking your way. What would happen if a company said you cannot keep a Bible in your car?

Postell · May 14, 2019

Engine4 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a law was passed several years ago that allowed a gun be secured in a vehicle while the owner was at work parked in the business parking lot. (not a company car).

Indiana has that law.

antco · May 14, 2019

Postell said:
Indiana has that law.

As does AZ.

A year or so ago I noticed that our company policy was quietly updated to remove restrictions on legal firearms in company vehicles and on company property. That’s surprising for a Fortune 500 in my opinion. Leads me to believe that case law somewhere drove the change.

Postell · May 14, 2019

antco said:
As does AZ.

A year or so ago I noticed that our company policy was quietly updated to remove restrictions on legal firearms in company vehicles and on company property. That’s surprising for a Fortune 500 in my opinion.

davsco · May 14, 2019

old but interesting

https://www.ehs-support.com/wp-cont...-on-bringing-weapons-on-employer-premises.pdf

newer

https://wyattemployment.com/2018/03/30/can-your-employees-bring-firearms-to-work/

alucard0822 · May 14, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
I'm kind of thinking your way. What would happen if a company said you cannot keep a Bible in your car?

One problem with these policies for those that can carry is that you would end up disarmed from the time you leave your house till the time you get back. It extends far beyond their "property". IMO your vehicle is your property, they have no right to say what you can or cannot have in your car, especially if it's not visible from the outside.

Postell · May 14, 2019

alucard0822 said:
One problem with these policies for those that can carry is that you would end up disarmed from the time you leave your house till the time you get back. It extends far beyond their "property". IMO your vehicle is your property, they have no right to say what you can or cannot have in your car, especially if it's not visible from the outside.

Do you have the right to put rules in place with what happens and what is brought on your personally owned property?

Not_an_outlaw · May 14, 2019

Postell said:
Do you have the right to put rules in place with what happens and what is brought on your personally owned property?

Interesting point, but there are many things you can't prevent depending on the kind of property. If you have a business, you must allow all customers. (Hog's Breath Saloon - required to install handicapped features). Building, health, and alcohol enforcement.

Postell · May 14, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
Interesting point, but there are many things you can't prevent depending on the kind of property. If you have a business, you must allow all customers. (Hog's Breath Saloon - required to install handicapped features). Building, health, and alcohol enforcement.

No, all businesses do not allow all customers to enter the business.
Most manufacturing/secure buildings have employee passcards to enter parking lot and or the building. The public at large has no access to many different businesses.
With most State laws you dont have to upgrade handicapped access unless you are doing other building upgrades.

So back to the question, does the property owner have the right to make rules on what happens and what can come on his property?

Not_an_outlaw · May 14, 2019

Postell said:
No, all businesses do not allow all customers to enter the business.
Most manufacturing/secure buildings have employee passcards to enter parking lot and or the building. The public at large has no access to many different businesses.
With most State laws you dont have to upgrade handicapped access unless you are doing other building upgrades.

So back to the question, does the property owner have the right to make rules on what happens and what can come on his property?

Go find somebody else to argue with. I was just showing some examples. Clearly you know everything.

photoracer · May 14, 2019

I can't talk about this anymore now living in WV.

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