NJ Bill to limit magazines to 5 rounds
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armed_economist
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So in NJ it's illegal to even own magazine with over 15 capacity, meaning NJ residents can't obtain high capacity magazines in other states and bring into NJ? How about residents of other states driving by and transporting high capacity magazines?
I took a little trip to Jersey last week. I literally tried reading everything online about who can carry what, active, off duty and under LEOSA.
Carrying under LEOSA is somewhat easier. It looks like it is still cloudy as to what active and off duty can carry as far as ammo and how much.
Officers had to carry fmj when off duty I believe.
At least LEOSA clarifies that under LEOSA, hollow points are ok even if a state "bans" them for carry. However, LEOSA does not exempt from mag limitations.
I honestly couldn't find a clear answer as far as mag size. I think 15 is ok. I didn't chance it and just carried my G43 with 7 and an extra mag.
This was the safe, easy decision.
Then there is something like the New Jersey State "retired officer permit carry law?" and I truly cannot get into that. I think it basically says that retired Jersey cops have to carry under the "retired permit", but don't understand how that can preempt federal LEOSA carry for them. If I read correctly, the state says agencies cannot qualify officers under LEOSA. But I could be wrong.
I was just talking to a buddy yesterday because he owns property up in New York. Crazy. The SAFE Act used to limit mag capacity to 7 round magazines. Effectively meaning carrying only 7 rounds. Then there was a court ruling saying magazines can be 10 rounders, but still with only 7 rounds loaded, but "hi cap mags" are ok to use at shooting ranges and competition shoots.
Honestly, the LEO exception(s) in Jersey, is an achilles heel.
Anything I posted above could either be all correct, all wrong, or a combo of both. LOL
If they would eliminate the exceptions for LEO's and just say 5 rounds and hollow points(or whatever they deem) for everyone, it wouldn't be so confusing.
NJ always wants to override federal gun laws. They had a hard time with LEOSA when it was first implemented but then backed off.
Officially, NJ retired LEOs can carry under LEOSA. However the state can and does give you a hard time. The RPO permit is state specific.
Yes but NY still passed the 7 round law. So will NJ.
platoonDaddy
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Forwarded son-in-law your post and the following is his reply:
As I understand it, as a retired law-enforcement officer in New Jersey I am allowed to carry concealed in every state with only my retired law-enforcement credentials. In New Jersey however, I must also possess a retired officer permit. They cost $50 per year. That is only for a retired New Jersey officer to carry in New Jersey. Anywhere else in the country I don’t need that permit. Stupid?
Also, we are not permitted to carry hollowpoint ammunition anymore! Apparently there are some other ammunition out there that are just as effective and they fulfill the “no hollow point” requirement. Also stupid?
The 15 round limit is just that. 15 rounds or less are acceptable. Whether or not you can keep one in the pipe is still up for grabs. And by keeping one in the pipe, I was suggesting that you have 15 in the mag and one in the chamber making it 16. I’m not sure of the legality of that but that’s how I roll.
He is wrong. He is covered under LEOSA. That being said, if he came here to Maryland and would have leo interaction, he will be arrested for carrying without wear and carry.
States do not recognize retired Jersey cops separately from LEOSA.
Retired officers MUST have a separated leo ID card with a pistol qualification not older than 12 months. Retired badge and credentials are only for nostalgia.
He needs a card that resembles this...
But even cops in Jersey after so fcking confused. He can carry hollow points.
rockstarr
Major Deplorable
Christie actually vetoed that last attempt they made to lower it to 10 I think. Now they have the candidate they want that will rape the 2nd amendment as they communists see fit.
Again, wow! Jersey shore f.ed up! Maryland is bad ,but it ain't that bad.
platoonDaddy
Ultimate Member
He is wrong. He is covered under LEOSA. That being said, if he came here to Maryland and would have leo interaction, he will be arrested for carrying without wear and carry.
States do not recognize retired Jersey cops separately from LEOSA.
Retired officers MUST have a separated leo ID card with a pistol qualification not older than 12 months. Retired badge and credentials are only for nostalgia.
He needs a card that resembles this...
But even cops in Jersey after so fcking confused. He can carry hollow points.
Believe you missed his point, of course he yearly qual with his handgun to stay current with LEOSA. In Jersey besides his LEOSA permit, he also must have a retired officer permit.
tkd4life
Ultimate Member
Thanks blaster, good info. It sucks everyone has such a hard time trying to decipher the BS laws passed with regard to this stuff. Who knew it would be so hard to follow the law?
Which is so fcking stupid. It's so confusing for me to try and explain. But he can carry hollow points in Jersey under LEOSA. I'd love to see the vernacular on his "LEOSA" card/permit. But honestly, his jersey retired leo card means squat.
It's the worst to try and follow. And honestly, except for the LEOSA law, I really don't know squat except for my own interpretation from piece meal from the Internet.
davsco
Ultimate Member
nationwide constitutional carry as long as not a felon. no round count limits. if you commit a felony using a firearm, you go to and stay in jail (of course the same should be true even without using a firearm). is this really that hard to understand? bad guys just don't follow all these asinine and complex rules.
of course, all these laws are promulgated by the same folks that shut down the govt, send people home, and yet still pay them.
of course, all these laws are promulgated by the same folks that shut down the govt, send people home, and yet still pay them.
platoonDaddy
Ultimate Member
You know what is curious.... I've had 2 thirty round magazines and a 75 round drum sitting out on my desk since this weekend, and they haven't killed anyone (that I know of) even when left un-attended... I don't even think they've kicked a puppy.
That's fine and all. The Jersey nostalgia. But LEOSA is the Supreme law of the cop carry of the land.
No ammo type restriction.
Ammo amount dictated by States counts.
No carry on federal parks even if local carry allowed federal park carry.
Signs on businesses need to be adhered to.
But, if local law says no carry into bars or alcohol serving restaurants, LEOSA is exempt.
fuzzynutkila
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- Feb 21, 2012
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I never thought I would say this but I am so glad I live in Maryland! Is a SCAR on that list? I love the"anything that significantly resembles the above mentioned firearms! That's pretty subjective.
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