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Old September 16th, 2017, 08:48 PM #111
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And if the officer does not answer the question asked repeatedly? To me refusing to answer would be an implied "no" and I would expect to be charged with "fleeing" if I left without a response.
Perhaps one could consider requesting the officer involve his supervisor in the affair.

Voice recorder switched on when being stopped might also help, especially if covert.
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Old September 16th, 2017, 10:39 PM #112
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Transporting a firearm between states should be subject to federal regs and free of state regs. The idea of stopping at borders and rearranging things are maddening. The NRA at one point wanted to support a "shall issue" law that would be federal. Even some conservatives didn't like the idea of the feds telling the states what laws they should have -- and at the time I could see their point. (It's easy to see how such a law could go south with a few federal votes on something like that.) After living in Maryland, though, it's hard to see how things could get worse.


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Old September 26th, 2017, 10:28 AM #113
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If one is willing to break the law regardless of consequences, this person is not much better than the thugs in Baltimore. Maybe I should shop paying taxes because I think Social Security and Obamacare is socialism and unconstitutional too.
Wow. Just wow. People like you are the reason this state is so ****ed.

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Old September 26th, 2017, 05:46 PM #114
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You CAN transport unloaded in an enclosed holster. The out of reach in the vehicle stuff is made up by MSP, it's not the law, although it may keep you from getting shot.
That is the law if you want to be covered by FOPA. He mentioned driving through MD. Thus you’d be covered under FOPA if the firearm is unloaded and stored in manner not easily accessible from the passenger cabin. I believe it specifically calls out the glove box or console, even if locking, do not count.

Under maryland law, for instate transport (so not FOPA covered) the rules for a handgun are different and more relaxed than FOPA requirements.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 07:21 PM #115
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yep. Trips that start and end in MD are covered by MD 4-203, not FOPA
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Old September 26th, 2017, 08:26 PM #116
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Officer, I would like to go home, am I free to leave? Repeat. IF he says no, then it becomes a de facto arrest.
Can't they say no, you aren't free to leave (not sure legal term, detained maybe?) but not under arrest?

Then what, just say "Give me my ticket and let me know when I am free to leave"?

Hopefully won't ever get in this position but would love to keep it short and sweet if I were.
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That is the law if you want to be covered by FOPA. He mentioned driving through MD. Thus you’d be covered under FOPA if the firearm is unloaded and stored in manner not easily accessible from the passenger cabin. I believe it specifically calls out the glove box or console, even if locking, do not count.

Under maryland law, for instate transport (so not FOPA covered) the rules for a handgun are different and more relaxed than FOPA requirements.
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yep. Trips that start and end in MD are covered by MD 4-203, not FOPA
Which would be nearly every trip involving a Maryland resident.
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I wish the MD GA would add interstate travel to the list of exceptions to the current prohibitions.
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Due process is such a waste of time....

People can make citizens arrests, so how can one arrest a cop? Yeah, right. Fighting such forfeitures takes too much time and money.

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We should at least be able to ask cops how much money they have on them! But lying to cops is illegal, and that's what concerns me. If you lie and say, “I don't have a lot of money on me," that's like a personal invitation to take your stuff.
5th amendment and the right to remain silent? Why would you be answering his questions so that your answers could later be used against you?
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If one is willing to break the law regardless of consequences, this person is not much better than the thugs in Baltimore. Maybe I should shop paying taxes because I think Social Security and Obamacare is socialism and unconstitutional too.
Just bc something is legal doesn't make it right and just bc something is illegal doesn't make it wrong.

There have have been some incredibly unfair laws enacted in this country and I'm not even going to pretend that I follow the law just bc the govt says I should.

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