What is your breaking point for a Revolution?

Fishguy · Dec 9, 2013

DavidA said:
In our Constitution, the States were given power via representation. Those States Representatives within the Federal framework, were their Senators. That is, until we people were hoodwinked into believing a "progressive" lie and voted in an amendment that took away States Representation, by popular vote (see amendment 17).

Before this, if a State did not like what their Senator was doing in D.C., they recalled and replaced them.

That and that alone was the brightline start of the "progressive" era.

Funny how the Fed and the 17th amendment came into being within a year or so of each other.

Coincidence?

Mr H · Dec 10, 2013

Fishguy said:
Funny how the Fed and the 17th amendment came into being within a year or so of each other.

Coincidence?

Income Tax in the Wilsonian Era, as well.

Inigoes · Dec 10, 2013

mr h said:
Income Tax in the Wilsonian Era, as well.

Oh, that temporary tax to pay for WWI?

Mr H · Dec 10, 2013

I know... niggling little details.

jehu · Dec 10, 2013

Revolution will morf out of the total Anarchy caused by the colapse of the unsastainable entitlements we have today. "Who is John Galt?" :rolleyes:

PALYDIN11 · Dec 10, 2013

Some views are best kept between you and God.

Boom Boom · Dec 10, 2013

Les Gawlik said:
I I think there will be a slide into economic collapse. Inflation will destroy the purchasing power of everyone, but especially those on public benefits.

I agree about the eventual collapse part. I disagree about inflation. Inflation implies lots of money in people's hands but prices too high to use that money. We're not in a Weimar Republic scenario or anything close. We're headed straight towards crushingly-high taxes on everything, causing tremendous deflation where hardly anyone has spare cash. Same end result by way of a different path. ObamaCare is the first such volley with many to follow.

letmeoutpax · Dec 11, 2013

"Just curious what everyone thinks is their point of no return."

One does not simply *start* a revolution...

One must wait for the right conditions or encourage them. In the sense that public sentiment is a requirement, many are already doing that work, whether it be political activism, introducing a friend to shooting, or teaching the next generation about freedom.

But say the ideological balance shifts dramatically on the SCOTUS and all the current momentum evaporates. Something would have to be done but exactly what is a tough question. The first civil disobedience would have to be non-violent and creative. Aside from the standard legal and political response, part of me would love it if someone pumped millions of gallons of sewage into IRS or CNN headquarters. In general, though, you would want the tyrants to show their true colors and be the ones who draw first blood.

letmeoutpax · Dec 11, 2013

If things continue to look like the mid-term elections will be bad for BO, look for Justice Ginsburg to announce her retirement.

Brooklyn · Dec 11, 2013

Boom Boom said:
I agree about the eventual collapse part. I disagree about inflation. Inflation implies lots of money in people's hands but prices too high to use that money. We're not in a Weimar Republic scenario or anything close. We're headed straight towards crushingly-high taxes on everything, causing tremendous deflation where hardly anyone has spare cash. Same end result by way of a different path. ObamaCare is the first such volley with many to follow.

No. Taxes can not be paid once the economy craters. Then the debt is dishonored via devaluing the currency. Then hyperinflation. Then cascade failure. Then civil unrest and or war..

Good bet we take a terror hit or two as well...

When it goes it will go very quickly..

Or we have a constititional convention before the crisis.

Brooklyn · Dec 11, 2013

letmeoutpax said:
"Just curious what everyone thinks is their point of no return."

One does not simply *start* a revolution...

One must wait for the right conditions or encourage them. In the sense that public sentiment is a requirement, many are already doing that work, whether it be political activism, introducing a friend to shooting, or teaching the next generation about freedom.

But say the ideological balance shifts dramatically on the SCOTUS and all the current momentum evaporates. Something would have to be done but exactly what is a tough question. The first civil disobedience would have to be non-violent and creative. Aside from the standard legal and political response, part of me would love it if someone pumped millions of gallons of sewage into IRS or CNN headquarters. In general, though, you would want the tyrants to show their true colors and be the ones who draw first blood.

The left will revolt long before the right. Just do. Nothing.

The left is doing all the work... they always do. After the damage is done then to move to the right. Most likely the government will be moveing to the right by then..

Our job is wait till the left has destoryed itself.. do nothing until then.. it will be hard.. you will want to restore order... do not...

The left will rise again, just as they did after Reagan if the price of leftism is to low.. let them pay the full measure. Do not restore order.. wait until they admit there folly... then say... " some problems can only be prevented -- not solved .. so sad..."

I kid you not. -- you can't bail then out or we will be right back at it within one generation... I am done with that.

The left wilk revolt.. we will.watch. then maybe we will rebuild.

Anything less will be a temporary fix.

We still have time to stop it.. not much.... but once it starts if you try and prevent it you will be blamed an the left will rise again.

I am not kidding....

RightNYer · Dec 11, 2013

Brooklyn said:
The left will revolt long before the right. Just do. Nothing.

The left is doing all the work... they always do. After the damage is done then to move to the right. Most likely the government will be moveing to the right by then..

Our job is wait till the left has destoryed itself.. do nothing until then.. it will be hard.. you will want to restore order... do not...

The left will rise again, just as they did after Reagan if the price of leftism is to low.. let them pay the full measure. Do not restore order.. wait until they admit there folly... then say... " some problems can only be prevented -- not solved .. so sad..."

I kid you not. -- you can't bail then out or we will be right back at it within one generation... I am done with that.

The left wilk revolt.. we will.watch. then maybe we will rebuild.

Anything less will be a temporary fix.

We still have time to stop it.. not much.... but once it starts if you try and prevent it you will be blamed an the left will rise again.

I am not kidding....

Decent ideas, but what if we are killed in the meantime?

Fox123 · Dec 11, 2013

RightNYer said:
Decent ideas, but what if we are killed in the meantime?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPBJdg...top_uri=/watch?v=UPBJdg743cw&feature=youtu.be

Brooklyn · Dec 11, 2013

RightNYer said:
Decent ideas, but what if we are killed in the meantime?

Then stop the BS and win the hearts and minds to prevent it.

History is not ambiguous here. Public support is needed either way..

RightNYer · Dec 11, 2013

Brooklyn said:
Then stop the BS and win the hearts and minds to prevent it.

History is not ambiguous here. Public support is needed either way..

I don't disagree, but I have absolutely no confidence that the low class black and Hispanic single mothers with 8 illegitimate children can ever be "won." I'd love to be proved wrong.

Brooklyn · Dec 11, 2013

RightNYer said:
I don't disagree, but I have absolutely no confidence that the low class black and Hispanic single mothers with 8 illegitimate children can ever be "won." I'd love to be proved wrong.

Well don't talk to them. 5 % swing. Talk to the ones we can reach

RightNYer · Dec 11, 2013

Brooklyn said:
Well don't talk to them. 5 % swing. Talk to the ones we can reach

5% now. What about in 30 years when they're 50%?

Middle and upper middle class whites (the conservative "base") have 2 or 3 kids each. Shaniqua and Consuela have 6-8, and nearly all of them grow up to be dependent on the state. If we don't find a way to change this country's demographic trajectory, we are screwed.

Brooklyn · Dec 11, 2013

RightNYer said:
5% now. What about in 30 years when they're 50%?

Middle and upper middle class whites (the conservative "base") have 2 or 3 kids each. Shaniqua and Consuela have 6-8, and nearly all of them grow up to be dependent on the state. If we don't find a way to change this country's demographic trajectory, we are screwed.

Then give up. I will be dead in 30 years anyway. And you and your bs is making it less likely that we will build citizens.

Stop the BS if you want to shift the country back on course...

Mr H · Dec 11, 2013

RightNYer said:
5% now. What about in 30 years when they're 50%?

Middle and upper middle class whites (the conservative "base") have 2 or 3 kids each. Shaniqua and Consuela have 6-8, and nearly all of them grow up to be dependent on the state. If we don't find a way to change this country's demographic trajectory, we are screwed.

Then we have to change the conditions that allow this to perpetuate.

Welfare reform (in many forms), and they key to it being a refusal to pay for more than 2.

It will require changing out legislators who won't help with those who will.

But none of it happens with us sitting here saying it'll never change, or it's just too hard.

We won't know unless we try--and keep trying.

RareBird · Dec 11, 2013

mr h said:
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Welfare reform (in many forms), and they key to it being a refusal to pay for more than 2.

There will never be any voluntary welfare reform. The welfare reform that Slick Willie signed, kicking and screaming, was watered down to nothingness by Obama.

The collapse will take care of it, though.

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