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  • Mr. Ed

    This IS my Happy Face
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2009
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    Edgewater
    :thumbsup: Mandatory firearms training for all of America's children.

    What we really need is mandatory imposition of ALL penalties for crimes committed using a firearm, instead of negotiating them down. Put the habitual bad guys away longer, and more lives will be saved.

    If Moms Demand Action really wanted to save lives, THIS is where they should focus their energies.
     

    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
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    Jan 30, 2013
    33,860
    What we really need is mandatory imposition of ALL penalties for crimes committed using a firearm, instead of negotiating them down. Put the habitual bad guys away longer, and more lives will be saved.

    If Moms Demand Action really wanted to save lives, THIS is where they should focus their energies.

    Agreed. Given prosecutors' apparent willingness, if not eagerness to drop firearms charges in negotiations, one might think that they don't consider them serious offenses.

    And if the possession/use in a crime charges are not taken seriously, what's the criminals' downside risk to carrying a gun?

    Not much.
     

    Mr H

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    What we really need is mandatory imposition of ALL penalties for crimes committed using a firearm, instead of negotiating them down. Put the habitual bad guys away longer, and more lives will be saved.

    If Moms Demand Action really wanted to save lives, THIS is where they should focus their energies.

    If that happened, criminal defense attorneys would end up broke, like Marty O'Mao...
     

    Jaybeez

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    May 30, 2006
    6,392
    Darlington MD
    What we really need is mandatory imposition of ALL penalties for crimes committed using a firearm, instead of negotiating them down. Put the habitual bad guys away longer, and more lives will be saved.

    If Moms Demand Action really wanted to save lives, THIS is where they should focus their energies.

    Mom's and democrats want the bad guys on the streets reoffending to pad the #'s and promote fear.
     

    BeoBill

    Crank in the Third Row
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    Oct 3, 2013
    27,058
    南馬里蘭州鮑伊
    What we really need is mandatory imposition of ALL penalties for crimes committed using a firearm, instead of negotiating them down. Put the habitual bad guys away longer, and more lives will be saved.

    If Moms Demand Action really wanted to save lives, THIS is where they should focus their energies.

    But then the problem would be partially solved, and the flow of Bloomberg money would be reduced. They'd have to change to "...for the children and baby seals" or something.
     

    Mr Bear

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 17, 2013
    1,077
    Maryland
    Several differences from other states.

    The HQL is redundant. It almost completely duplicates the pre existing background check that has been in place since 1996 and regulation of handguns since 1968. It serves no new purpose beyond a new burden.

    Although it is called a handgun license, it doesnt actually license anyone to do anything related to a handgun. Its not for possession, carry, or even purchase, because to purchase, one must go through the same process again, almost entirely. But at almost 1/5th the cost and 1/4 the wait. How do they justify that?

    The only thing new about it are the fees and the fingerprints. Fingerprints are tied to the same background check systems and NICS, they add no new measure of public protection.

    Even the training component was preexisting. They could have just altered that.

    In cases like this, the decision should be at the very least based on accomoishing a goal by the least restrictive means necessary. MD's stated goal was already accomplished by the existing regulated firearms process. The actual goal of preventing or reducing legal ownership isnt allowed.

    Pretty much agree with what you've said here. Am curious about the pre-existing training component. Until the HQL, there hasn't been a training component that I'm aware of that's linked to the purchase of a gun. Am I forgetting something?
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    32,877
    Prior to the HQL , was the Firearms Safety Training Course, which was a prerequisite for any handgun purchase.

    At the rollout it was tought by state employees. Leading up to rollout it was frequently offered at gun shows ( I took it at a gun show at PG Equestrian Center).

    The concern from our side at the time was access to a class. The minimum requirement in the law was to be offered once a month per county. But subsequently it was agreed that a specific videotape produced by the Md Lic Firearms Dealer Assn would meet the requirements. The Assn distributed it to their members. The dealers then could provide the said training to potential customers. In practice either complimntary with a purchase, or a nominal fee to cover wear & tear on their VCR.( After I lost my original card, it was easier to just watch the video than get a duplicate card. Still have that one in my wallet.)
     

    DC-W

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    Jan 23, 2013
    25,290
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    Hearing today in US District Court in Baltimore!!!

    The summer lazy days may be upon us, but MSI doesn't rest. This Monday, August 7 at 2:30p, counsel for MSI and the other plaintiffs will argue in the U.S. District Court in Baltimore that the State's motion to dismiss the case should be denied. Details on the hearing are in the next section. If the State's motion is denied (as it should be), then the parties will commence "discovery." That's when we get to take depositions, demand documents and ask written questions designed to explore the State's position. The lawyers (and the officers and Board Members of MSI) will be busy.

    ---

    As mentioned first hearing for the MSI HQL Lawsuit will be held at the US District Court in Baltimore on August 7 at 2:30pm.

    MSI members are encouraged to attend. However, we must stress that if you do come, you come dressed formally (coat/tie), and you act respectfully. The following are the court's rules:
    No food, beverages, or chewing gum are permitted inside the courtrooms.

    All electronic devices must be turned off before entering the courtroom. Counsel may use electronic devices in the courtroom unless prohibited by the presiding judge.

    Courtroom-appropriate attire is expected when present in a courtroom. Hats and sunglasses, unless for religious or medical reasons, should be removed before entering the courtroom.
    If you wish to attend, please arrive early, and we highly suggest men wear a coat and tie.

    US District Court of Maryland
    101 W Lombard St
    Baltimore, MD 21201

    Lawsuits are expensive! Any help towards keeping the fight up is greatly appreciated and don't forget that right now until 9/8, every dollar donated toward litigation is a chance at winning a Glock. For details, go here: https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=211655
     

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