shacklefordbanks
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- Mar 27, 2013
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Just them off when the range is open.
CRESAP closed for renovations
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Just them off when the range is open.
Nope. So long as Cresap isn't storing it digitally on a server that could be hacked and only turn it over to anyone in the case of an accident or crime, I'm A-OK with it.
Most indoor ranges and gun stores have cameras installed after all.
Lol, yes maybe keep the video surveillance off during public shoot times on Sunday, otherwise good idea. IWLA in Frederick has this capability with remote monitoring, and I wouldn't be surprised if your neighbors at MPC go in this direction in the near future as well.
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danb
dont be a dumbass
Nearly every public range has video monitoring in some form. Yes, the police have also been known to drive through the parking lot with plate readers.
You have no expectation of privacy in public or on someone else's property.
Personally I wear my black balaclava with the skeleton facemask when I operate at a public range.
You have no expectation of privacy in public or on someone else's property.
Personally I wear my black balaclava with the skeleton facemask when I operate at a public range.
I hear what you are saying, I just don't understand why you (or any other range) feels they have any obligation to check paperwork. Under that logic you should run background checks on anyone to see if they are prohibited from touching a firearm or check ID to see if that person with a handgun really is over 21 etc. Not your obligation IMO. That being said- your range your rules and I believe Cresap fulfills a valuable public need so I'm pulling for you (and wrote all of the City Council).
danb
dont be a dumbass
I do wonder about this. Why do some ranges feel compelled to check NFA paperwork? Are they going to start getting out the calipers for my HBAR too? Do they want me to prove the lower was pre-2013. Where does this end?
Ive never had a problem, but I do wonder why some ranges are fussy about NFA.
Ive never had a problem, but I do wonder why some ranges are fussy about NFA.
I have never had range ask to see my p/w. As a mater of fact, if I recall correctly, you only legally have to produce it for an ATF agent. That said, if a credentialed LEO asks for it, I will produce it.
When I got my first can, I took it to an indoor range. I asked the guy if he wanted to see the F4 and he said no, I am not an ATF agent.
When I got my first can, I took it to an indoor range. I asked the guy if he wanted to see the F4 and he said no, I am not an ATF agent.
It's all CYA in the end. Same reason there are many out-of-state stores that won't transfer in to MD or sell to MD residents even though what you're buying is legal. Thing is, when the BATFE comes down on someone for violating the NFA, they really like to drop a dragnet and nail anyone and everyone even remotely connected to the ones they're after. I can understand the extra caution. If I were running a range, I'd likely not care, but I can't fault others for being cautious.
Is there a big problem with illegally possessed suppressors these days? I kind of doubt it. That's one of the reasons that the anti arguments against the House bill to get the feds out of the business of regulating suppressors falls flat. If criminals wanted to use/possess suppressors, they already would. However it's very very rare to read of any used in crimes.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if there were significant numbers of illegally possessed SBRs and SBSs.
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On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if there were significant numbers of illegally possessed SBRs and SBSs.
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Eh.... I wouldn't doubt it. SD tactical is back to selling mag-lite extension tubes, "barrel shroud" kits, and everything else you need but freeze-plugs (available at any auto-parts store). Add in the fact that there are plenty of airsoft companies in China/Taiwan selling "airsoft" suppressors that actually contain mono-baffles and the opportunities for non-registered suppressors is pretty great.
Now, how many are used in actual violent gun crimes? Next to none.
danb
dont be a dumbass
they should be encouraging supressors, it gets loud there on Sundays.
As far as "illegal" SBRs, if I shoulder a pistol with a brace, have I made an "illegal" SBR? The answer appears to depend on who is in office.
Maybe they will rethink this policy now that they have competition from places that are completely comfortable with NFA items and scary black rifles. And also, steel and holster draw.
As far as "illegal" SBRs, if I shoulder a pistol with a brace, have I made an "illegal" SBR? The answer appears to depend on who is in office.
Maybe they will rethink this policy now that they have competition from places that are completely comfortable with NFA items and scary black rifles. And also, steel and holster draw.
DanGuy48
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I seldom shoot at Cresap, mostly indoor instead and I have no problem at all with cameras. I like the idea. If someone's not following the rules and causes trouble, I would always want the impartial back up of a camera, because too many things get down to "he did----no, I didn't."
OrbitalEllipses
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Your range your rules, but legally speaking isn't the only person entitled to see a tax stamp on request an actual ATF agent?
DanGuy48
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Well, actually it seems to me it is their business if you bring it into their range.....but easily remedied as you say by going somewhere that doesn't check.
But why would they check anyway? If they were going to do that, then why don't they check every weapon and not just NFA?
My range doesn't check it anyway.
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DanGuy48
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I honestly don't know for sure, but I bet it has something to do with some arcane insurance/liability issue. I'm curious about this myself. I know TMGN likes to see paperwork on any NFA items the first time one comes into the range.
danb
dont be a dumbass
I doubt its an insurance issue. AGC rules just say something like "It is suggested that you keep a copy of NFA paperwork". On any given weekend I see quite a number of suppressors and SBRs and I cannot say I have ever seen an RSO check or know anyone that has been checked. Obviously, you should have a copy anyway.
Honestly, if a range is checking, I think it might be some ranges "helping" the BATFE to stay in good graces at inspection time.
As far as CRESAP, I am speculating, but I think that they probably just don't want to deal with it on a busy Sunday. If you paid $200 bucks for a stamp, you probably already belong to a range where you shoot it (and if not, why?), and you probably don't bother going public hours at CRESAP anyway, because its overcrowded noisy (what is the point of a suppressor) and cannot shoot your SBR offhand. I dont belong to CRESAP, but I'd take an educated guess that rules for members are different than for the public.
danb
dont be a dumbass
Its a shame that when it comes to guns, Maryland appears to be a logic free zone.
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