Meeting AR15 HBAR Requirement on Gunbroker

DaemonAssassin said:

Incorrect. When asked, MSP replied that they don't know, but it would be helpful if it was marked or advertised as HBAR. But then again a MSP advisory is not legally binding.

The law says HBAR, correct.

MSP creating regulations, through agency fiat, is how we got the live fire "requirement" for the HQL, even though that isn't in the law.

Their "INTERPRETATION" makes their life easier, because for people to comply with no fear, they must do what MSP says, but then again, MSP can change their mind and say that the only HBAR allowed out there is one with a barrel of 2.843" and then what are you going to do? By making up a random diameter, they just banned all those AR's going back to 2013.

You want to see what happens when an agency "interprets and creates regulations" that are not part of the law? Take a look at the EPA and the ATF. Specifically, lets look at the ATF in regards to NFA. In NFA 1934, show me where it says that I must include my fingerprints, a RPQ, and a photo of myself, when submitting a Form 1 or a Form 4. I'll save you the time and effort on this one. You won't find it in the law. It was a agency created regulation and interpretation, that puts hurdles up in front of the citizen from engaging in lawful activities.

When you bend over and take it from a government agency, they will continue to try to shove it in farther and deeper, till you can't take it anymore and frag out.

Oh, how are you supposed to file a lawsuit against an agency that has something as a advisory, yet it isn't codified in the law?



Again, you do not need to prove that it is HBAR for it to be legal. MSP has said the banned firearms list is not legally binding. The HBAR advisory they released is not legally binding, either.

SPR barrels are HBAR with the proper profile, because the HBAR aspect is from the chamber to the gas block journal. Forward of the gas block doesn't matter. Look at the barrel of a Colt Sporter HBAR to see what I'm talking about.

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outrider58 said:

I think the big grind is when people can't order up a rifle from just anywhere because of Merryland's vague gun laws. Mission accomplished

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DaemonAssassin said:

MSP creating regulations, through agency fiat, is how we got the live fire "requirement" for the HQL, even though that isn't in the law.

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Mark75H said:

It wasn't in the act of the legislature, but it is the law in COMAR. A trick Uncle Louie put in the MD Constitution.

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DaemonAssassin said:

Incorrect. When asked, MSP replied that they don't know, but it would be helpful if it was marked or advertised as HBAR. But then again a MSP advisory is not legally binding.



See above.



The law says HBAR, correct.

MSP creating regulations, through agency fiat, is how we got the live fire "requirement" for the HQL, even though that isn't in the law.

Their "INTERPRETATION" makes their life easier, because for people to comply with no fear, they must do what MSP says, but then again, MSP can change their mind and say that the only HBAR allowed out there is one with a barrel of 2.843" and then what are you going to do? By making up a random diameter, they just banned all those AR's going back to 2013.

You want to see what happens when an agency "interprets and creates regulations" that are not part of the law? Take a look at the EPA and the ATF. Specifically, lets look at the ATF in regards to NFA. In NFA 1934, show me where it says that I must include my fingerprints, a RPQ, and a photo of myself, when submitting a Form 1 or a Form 4. I'll save you the time and effort on this one. You won't find it in the law. It was a agency created regulation and interpretation, that puts hurdles up in front of the citizen from engaging in lawful activities.

When you bend over and take it from a government agency, they will continue to try to shove it in farther and deeper, till you can't take it anymore and frag out.

Oh, how are you supposed to file a lawsuit against an agency that has something as a advisory, yet it isn't codified in the law?



Again, you do not need to prove that it is HBAR for it to be legal. MSP has said the banned firearms list is not legally binding. The HBAR advisory they released is not legally binding, either.

SPR barrels are HBAR with the proper profile, because the HBAR aspect is from the chamber to the gas block journal. Forward of the gas block doesn't matter. Look at the barrel of a Colt Sporter HBAR to see what I'm talking about.

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DaemonAssassin said:

I do, because nobody has had the stones to challenge that aspect of the regulations that the ATF created. It is my sincere prayer that suppressors, SBR's, and SBS's are removed from NFA in the future. But if this is the price I have to pay for Little DA to have a hearing safety device, then I will take the hit for him.

Meanwhile, the HQL lawsuit and the AWB in MD are being challenged, via the courts.

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rseymorejr said:

That makes sense. The entire barrel profile business is horseshit anyway. I'm just sitting here wondering what combination of bad luck and bad choices would lead me to a point where I'm watching a State Trooper come at my AR with a micrometer in his hand. I have to believe that I was pretty well screwed long before that took place.

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Sling Blade said:

Yup...and thats why this whole thing sticks in my craw the way it does

If somebody wants to roll like that for CYA, than thats all well and good. But I for one refuse to believe this notion that the spade that I can clearly see is a spade is actually NOT a spade because somebody else didnt say it was a spade. Theres only so much stupid I tolerate from this cesspool called Maryland

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04RWon said:

Honestly, I doubt you would fall in that situation. I think the bigger threat is our own community. The current standard is to throw each other under the bus ASAP. The fudd at the range who wants to call you out for shouldering a pistol brace, which is technically fine. The guy who immediately starts posting ATF memes when you post your AR pistol with a vfg, even if it meets the 26" OAL. Its sad, but our own worst enemy is our fellow gun owners.

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