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Alwayscarry5267
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Hawkeye
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I don't want to be nitpicky or whatever, but when did you make those SBRs? If it was after 10/1/13, they are illegal because they have both a folding stock and a flash hider.
cap6888
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I don't think SBRs fall under FSA2013.
They do. Thats also why they cant be under 29" in MD.
Bertfish
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Maybe we dont ask questions
StantonCree
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Hawkeye
The Leatherstocking
- Jan 29, 2009
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Just trying to be helpful, guys. It's easy to unintentionally fall afoul of Maryland's laws on this stuff, and it would suck to see someone inadvertently do something illegal.
onedash
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Hawkeye
The Leatherstocking
- Jan 29, 2009
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It depends. Does that device, when attached to a firearm, serve to increase the rate of fire of said firearm? If so, did you apply to ATF for permission to have that device before 10/1/18?
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Apples and oranges.
I would love to see Hawkeye's opinion in the statute though. He's almost(if ever) never wrong on this stuff.
I do know, once you convert an existing gun, even a pre ban gun, into an SBR, you've just "made a new gun". And it is subject to current statute.
Hawkeye
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Awww, gee. In all seriousness though please remember that I'm just an interested lay person here.
That said:
Correct. You are doing what ATF refers to as "making" a new firearm when you use an approved Form 1 to convert something from a Title I (non-NFA) firearm into a Title II (NFA) firearm.
In addition to that, it is my opinion (and that of MSP and ATF) that SBRs do fall under the rules in FSA2013. This is because they are still "Short Barreled Rifles. To use an AR SBR for an example, it is still a "semi-automatic centerfire rifle which is capable of accepting detachable magazines" and so it must pass all of the copycat tests in FSA2013, including the 29" rule, the feature test, etc.
This is why ATF will not currently approve a Form 1 for a Maryland resident for an AR which lists an OAL shorter than 29" - because MSP has told them that would be illegal here, as it would be a non-grandfathered (since you're making a new firearm when you complete it) "assault weapon" (because it fails the OAL test) and therefore banned. Likewise, if you wanted to make a new SBR post 10/1/13 that would fail the "evil feature" test (like having a flash hider and a folding stock) that would also be illegal.
Oldcarjunkie
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Can someone from Pa. crash the party??
Just ignore the feet.....
How do you like that Rising? I have been considering my first MG and have looked at them a few times
smg1231
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ar15dave
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I would LOVE to show you all my new acquisition however, I am still waiting for government shutdown to end. And I was SO close to getting the stamp approved. By NFA averages i was only a week, maybe two, off from getting my stamp. Oh well, hurry up and wait some more. Hope the shut-down ends soon. Not just for my silly stamp but for the government workers and families affected by it.
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Nice Brian
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