MSP issuing warrants after online purchases of AR parts

davsco · Jul 31, 2015

swinokur said:
Would an out of state vendor be legally required to honor a subpoena froma MD Court Judge?

not quite a subpoena, but we got a surprise bill from Commonwealth of Virginia a while back for sales tax on furniture we bought in Carolina and had shipped to us. I doubt the NC furniture company freely offered this info to VA, so some out of state influence must have been involved for VA to get their list.

and this is the same govt that bans ar15's but ar10's are just fine, so not real reasonable to think judges or anyone else are informed enough to make decisions about firearms-related subpoenas or anything else.

zoostation · Jul 31, 2015

davsco said:
not quite a subpoena, but we got a surprise bill from Commonwealth of Virginia a while back for sales tax on furniture we bought in Carolina and had shipped to us. I doubt the NC furniture company freely offered this info to VA, so some out of state influence must have been involved for VA to get their list.

I think this is similar to why you can't buy tires over the counter at the Tire Rack depot in tax-free Delaware. All of the other ones let people do that. Tire Rack was apparently intimidated not to do that because so many Marylanders would be picking them up there. Or so I heard.

zoostation · Jul 31, 2015

davsco said:
and this is the same govt that bans ar15's but ar10's are just fine, so not real reasonable to think judges or anyone else are informed enough to make decisions about firearms-related subpoenas or anything else.

That's because an AR-10 is only two-thirds as powerful as an AR-15. :innocent0

jc1240 · Jul 31, 2015

davsco said:
not quite a subpoena, but we got a surprise bill from Commonwealth of Virginia a while back for sales tax on furniture we bought in Carolina and had shipped to us. I doubt the NC furniture company freely offered this info to VA, so some out of state influence must have been involved for VA to get their list.

and this is the same govt that bans ar15's but ar10's are just fine, so not real reasonable to think judges or anyone else are informed enough to make decisions about firearms-related subpoenas or anything else.

King Willie Don, as governor, had MSP inspect trucks hauling furniture at the weigh/inspection stations. If the furniture was destined for a MD address and there was no record of MD sales/use tax being paid, the state mailed them (the recipient) a bill.

Mr H · Jul 31, 2015

jc1240 said:
King Willie Don, as governor, had MSP inspect trucks hauling furniture at the weigh/inspection stations. If the furniture was destined for a MD address and their was no record of MD sales/use tax being paid, the state mailed them (the recipient) a bill.

He also had MSP doing cigarette checks, at one point.

teratos · Jul 31, 2015

Totally legit. I was picked up yesterday on such a warrant. I have been tried, convicted, and am now on death row for being an accomplice in the murders of unicorns.

makijo · Jul 31, 2015

teratos said:
Totally legit. I was picked up yesterday on such a warrant. I have been tried, convicted, and am now on death row for being an accomplice in the murders of unicorns.

Man your lawyer sucked !!! :lol2:

Bolts Rock · Jul 31, 2015

Can I believe some permutation of this is happening? Yes. MSP has gone beyond the letter of the law with banning rifles and I have seen assclowns brag on FB and elsewhere about building/buying/selling illegal AR configurations. Weren't there a few posts about MSP getting info from VA FFLs and door knocking last year?

Library Guy · Jul 31, 2015

teratos said:
Totally legit. I was picked up yesterday on such a warrant. I have been tried, convicted, and am now on death row for being an accomplice in the murders of unicorns.

Was it Cecil the the Unicorn?

jasonk1229 · Jul 31, 2015

Blackstar65 · Jul 31, 2015

gtodave said:
One of my LEO buddies told me that he just executed three warrants brought to him by MSP for potential violations of Maryland's 2013 Gun Safety law.

Apparently, MSP is subpoenaing sales records for online vendors who will ship parts in to MD, and if the parts don't jive with the current law, warrants are issued.

He mentioned that MSP is also using records from sales of lowers to help target individuals. I don't know how that would be accomplished, but he said that it would be a "flag" to cross reference with the online sales records.

I don't doubt that at least part of this is true (I'd be stupid to doubt ANYTHING like this in this day and age), but it screams a little of big-brother-gov't snooping. The takeaway message for me was to be careful with online purchases.

MSP has their own team to execute their risk warrants. Unless your buddy is on the State team I am calling BS.

The sphinx · Jul 31, 2015

Wow that sounds like some straight BS.

Gbh · Jul 31, 2015

zoostation said:
That's because an AR-10 is only two-thirds as powerful as an AR-15.

I want a modified AR-10 that goes to 11.

Chris · Jul 31, 2015

I would say 50/50 truth/BS. I think that if during an ATF audit at a dealer in another State that has had a large number of shipments of AR parts to a Maryland address, I would think a flag may go up. Then MSP would take that info and start looking into the address and how many other packages have been dropped off (USPS/UPS/FedEx). Then it's No Knock time. But if you purchased an upper for your legal AR lower and hat upper was an HBAR who cares. If you purchase M4 barrel for your legal AR that was a M4 before the Safety Act then who caress. Chris

jc1240 · Jul 31, 2015

Gbh said:
I want a modified AR-10 that goes to 11.

AR-10. AR-11. Whatever it takes.

pcfixer · Jul 31, 2015

jc1240 said:
AR-10. AR-11. Whatever it takes.

yep, I got an AR-16

CypherPunk · Jul 31, 2015

Mark75H said:
I think this is the most likely scenario. A personal aquantance of mine was prosecuted and convicted via crossreferencing his Facebook page with his history. He was unaware that he had become a prohibited person.

I suspect that MSP has compiled a database of all prohibited persons in MD and continually or automatically follow them on social media for possible violations.

The software tool would not be that hard to develop.

When overtime opportunities (3AM no-knock raids), and promotions are closely tied to the "number of guns seized" a motivated LEO would be dumb not to do this ^^^

StantonCree · Jul 31, 2015

CypherPunk said:
When overtime approval and promotions are closely tied to the "number of guns seized" a motivated LEO would be dumb not to do this ^^^

Where did you see overtime approval and promotions are tied to guns seized?

protegeV · Jul 31, 2015

mpdc4511 said:
Where did you see overtime approval and promotions are tied to guns seized?

He said when. That could mean "if" not "since"
Not defending anyone, just saying..

gabe72 · Jul 31, 2015

Did anyone see the story of the guy that bought cigarettes on line and now the state of Arizona has assessed taxes and penalties on him from 2006 and 2007 for back taxes owed since he bought them tax free? sorry I cant post a link right now

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