300blk charge reduction on nato?

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  • Moorvogi

    Firearm Advocate
    Dec 28, 2014
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    Once upon a time, I saw that the "rule of thumb" was to reduce powder charges in NATO brass by 10%.

    I'm looking at 155gr amax w/ lilgun which is 11.8-17gr per hornady book. reducing that MAX by 10% takes 1.7 off making the max 15.3.

    I'm loading these at 15.8 w/ mixed brass of 300blk and some 5.56 NATO (mostly lake city). the LC brass now identifies as 300blk, etc etc.

    I don't see OBVIOUS pressure signs in the brass but primers are flatter than some of the factory loads we shot the same day.

    Now the question(s).

    1. are the SOMETIMES flatter primers an issue? They aren't flat as some i've seen at the range but they were "flatter" than expected. This might be the primers, (cci) because i get that result on NON-nato brass also sometimes.

    2. someone also said the 10% rule doesn't really apply to 223,300blk because of case capacity and it's not a big difference when compared 308 or 30-06. for the sake of "do your own loads", i'm going to take all answers here w/ salt but.. what do YOU think, and why?
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
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    From my experience with the 300 BO, flat primers aren't an issue unless the primer is loose and pops out easily. In that case the primer pocket has expanded and the brass should be recycled. I run 16.5 grains of H110 with 150gn cast bullets in a carbine gassed upper. With this load, my 5.56 cases will reload until the neck cracks. If I use commercial brass, the primers get loose after 2 or 3 firings.
    My Lil gun load is 15 something but I don't have my book here. I think you are in the ball park.
     

    Park ranger

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 6, 2015
    2,327
    That's a peppy load. I would add anymore powder for sure. 10% is a bit much for that rule in my opinion. in my 308 with palma loads, lapua brass which is less volume and Winchester brass that has more volume is only 1/2 grain different to get same velocity. 10% would be 4.5 GRAINS!

    Muzzle velocity will be your best comparison for pressures with same bullet.
     

    Magnumite

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 17, 2007
    6,573
    Harford County, Maryland
    I run 16.5 grains of H110 with 150gn cast bullets in a carbine gassed upper.

    Similar to a 357 Magnum load I use. I haven’t handloaded for it yet but from conception/application to loading I always saw the 300 BO as a ‘pistolized’ rifle round.
     

    Major03

    Ultimate Member
    While looking at brass for pressure signs is always a good idea, agree with Park Ranger. Work up your loads in your different types of brass using a chrono. When dealing with things that could potentially blow up your face...I say be cautious and have a healthy level of paranoia.
     

    atblis

    Ultimate Member
    May 23, 2010
    2,031
    Akkkshully, the cases with the lowest capacities are typically commercial cases (PMP being one of the worst). Lake City tends to have one of the highest capacities. The whole thing about thicker cases for 223 v. 5.56 is an internet/gun-show/gun-counter myth that needs to die. It varies, but in general military cases are not the worst offenders for reduced capacity in 223/5.56.

    https://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/223rem/

    No experience with LiLGun, but I've found Hodgdon powders to differ quite dramatically from their published loads. Me thinks Hodgdon powders vary lot to lot a little more than they should.

    IMO the two most useful indicators of pressures starting to get too high are (asides from really dramatic stuff)
    1) Loose primer pockets, or primers falling out
    2) Case head flow back into the extractor cutout and/or swiping of the case head

    Number 2 can show up easily for soft brass (like Federal)

    Also handy is a chronograph. If you're getting velocities higher than you should for the given barrel length, you don't have a magic fast barrel, pressures are higher.
     

    Major03

    Ultimate Member
    Just something to consider, if you have a tight / match chamber cut down 5.56 brass will often have problems due to neck thickness. I don't have that issue with commercial PMP brass that I've cut down...ergo LC brass is definitely thicker. Not a myth. I suppose it's possible that case capacity is also being effected in the webbing and case head areas...but my advice still stands. Work up the loads using a chrono for every type of brass you use.
     

    atblis

    Ultimate Member
    May 23, 2010
    2,031
    That's odd. PMP tends to have thick necks, like 0.015". LC is typically 0.012".
     

    atblis

    Ultimate Member
    May 23, 2010
    2,031
    There's almost no reason to mess with different head-stamps. LC is so common. So yeah, circling back to the first post, don't mix headstamps for things that could have pressure issues. I'll use mixed head-stamps for my downloaded M193 plinking rounds (2950 fps v. 3150 fps from a 20" barrel). For something that's up against a max, not a good idea. PMP and other oddities go in the trash can for me.
     

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