Baltimore County looks to regulate gun shows and gun shops

welder516 · Nov 26, 2019

Crime is happening because we have businesses open selling goods , these businesses pay property taxes and other type of taxes maybe once they move out ...Ohh wait maybe that is what they want . Instead of taking care of crime and the criminals in the revolving door system .

Easier to blame Joe Blows Gun Store & Smoke Shop

KJackson · Nov 26, 2019

XCheckR said:
This makes me fume....

How many guns are stolen from gun shops....????

Also, do they levy these requirements on drugstores?? Yiu know for all the drugs on the streets?

According to what I heard on the "news" this morning on the radio, drug stores and medical marijuana dispensaries already have safety rules that they have to follow. What they are, I don't know.

teratos · Nov 26, 2019

Stoveman said:
Pennak was quoted in the Sun today as well. Along with someone else we might know.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryla...0191126-3567tkcvjfeopacrgotra7kugm-story.html

The other guy did ok!

Bertfish · Nov 26, 2019

KJackson said:
According to what I heard on the "news" this morning on the radio, drug stores and medical marijuana dispensaries already have safety rules that they have to follow. What they are, I don't know.

Dispensaries definitely do

Bikebreath · Nov 26, 2019

Stoveman said:
Pennak was quoted in the Sun today as well. Along with someone else we might know.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryla...0191126-3567tkcvjfeopacrgotra7kugm-story.html

adit · Nov 26, 2019

Muleskinner said:
The chief of police in BCo was appointed because her politics walk in lock step with the county execs. She's an anti...SO you can bet that she will require extraordinary security measures to get approval..very expensive measures..because let's face it...this is an attempt to shut down gun stores, not prevent theft

Bureaucrats will regulate 2A businesses out of business. If that doesn't work nothing stops them from "going back to the well" and moving the goalposts again.

This is not much different than the EPA under Zero. The laws weren't necessarily the problem, it was the repressive regs behind them.

Bertfish · Nov 26, 2019

Stoveman said:
Pennak was quoted in the Sun today as well. Along with someone else we might know.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryla...0191126-3567tkcvjfeopacrgotra7kugm-story.html

So they called the dealers in to a meeting and told them this was happening and asked for opinions? Sounds like a goddamn shake down to me

Bob A · Nov 26, 2019

Bertfish said:
So they called the dealers in to a meeting and told them this was happening and asked for opinions? Sounds like a goddamn shake down to me

No, no, only Progressive Proactive Prevention.

It's for our own good. Once they figure out which method is most oppressive, they'll make it mandatory.

You know who it's for, right? I don't have to drag out a load of tiny corpses to dance on, do I?

Tebonski · Nov 27, 2019

I don't see what all the fuss is about gun shop burglaries. Former V. P. and now current Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden says nobody should go to jail for non violent crimes.

Isn't burglary a non violent crime Joe?

hooligan82 · Nov 27, 2019

This came up on Wbff morning news. It immediately followed the stories about the two shootings in Baltimore county last night as if they were somehow related.

lazarus · Nov 27, 2019

So this sounds on the extreme side of what should be required. But answer this, should there be minimum standards for store security?

Many businesses types have minimum requirements depending on what industry they are. A lot are “good prudence” in the part of the business, but some are required by the state.

So should there be some minimum requirements? Or should FFLs be allowed to operate a business with no security shutters and no locks and no video security. Just turn the knob after hours and you can walk in and help yourself. Or should there be SOME minimum requirements? If there should be some, what should they be?

Yeah, criminals are the ones responsible for their actions, but there is some onus on a business owner that deals in either valuable or dangerous merchandise to properly secure it using some due diligence. Something like basic video surveillance seems like a no brainer to me as would shutters for windows/doors after hours. Beyond that...don’t know.

John from MD · Nov 27, 2019

lazarus said:
So this sounds on the extreme side of what should be required. But answer this, should there be minimum standards for store security?

Many businesses types have minimum requirements depending on what industry they are. A lot are “good prudence” in the part of the business, but some are required by the state.

So should there be some minimum requirements? Or should FFLs be allowed to operate a business with no security shutters and no locks and no video security. Just turn the knob after hours and you can walk in and help yourself. Or should there be SOME minimum requirements? If there should be some, what should they be?

Yeah, criminals are the ones responsible for their actions, but there is some onus on a business owner that deals in either valuable or dangerous merchandise to properly secure it using some due diligence. Something like basic video surveillance seems like a no brainer to me as would shutters for windows/doors after hours. Beyond that...don’t know.

Watch what you ask for, 'cause the next thing the demorats will be doing is putting up a bill dictating what security a gun owner must have for their home. :sad20:

mcbruzdzinski · Nov 27, 2019

John from MD said:
Watch what you ask for, 'cause the next thing the demorats will be doing is putting up a bill dictating what security a gun owner must have for their home.

This is what I fear. Once one county does it, it will be an easy transition to a state law mandated from the Maryland General Assembly.

Bertfish · Nov 27, 2019

John from MD said:
Watch what you ask for, 'cause the next thing the demorats will be doing is putting up a bill dictating what security a gun owner must have for their home.

We already have that in some version here regarding handguns right?

daNattyFatty · Nov 27, 2019

Bertfish said:
We already have that in some version here regarding handguns right?

What they’re getting at is in the same vein as what this bill requires.

So, Harry Home&Gunowner would be required to get a monitored alarm system. Harden their door jambs and hinges. Probably have a special insurance requirement as well. You get the picture.

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Bertfish · Nov 27, 2019

daNattyFatty said:
What they’re getting at is in the same vein as what this bill requires.

So, Harry Home&Gunowner would be required to get a monitored alarm system. Harden their door jambs and hinges. Probably have a special insurance requirement as well. You get the picture.

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Oh no I get what they're after, I'm just saying I think the MGA has already started down this road in the past I thought.

adit · Nov 27, 2019

John from MD said:
Watch what you ask for, 'cause the next thing the demorats will be doing is putting up a bill dictating what security a gun owner must have for their home.

It was passed this year in DE.

https://legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail/47156

John from MD · Nov 27, 2019

I believe we have something like that as well. I think MD's law says something like "owner knew or should have known a child could get the gun" or something like that. To me, that law is just trying to legislate common sense because there are stupid people who leave loaded guns around unsupervised children.

TangoSierra27 · Nov 27, 2019

Don H , I know at most shows in Harford County already have security at the entrance and egress points. Most are volunteer LEO'S or members of VFW, A LEGION, or gun club holding the show.

lazarus · Nov 27, 2019

John from MD said:
I believe we have something like that as well. I think MD's law says something like "owner knew or should have known a child could get the gun" or something like that. To me, that law is just trying to legislate common sense because there are stupid people who leave loaded guns around unsupervised children.

Yes. There is a safe storage law. It reads “ may not store or leave a loaded firearm in a location where the person knew or should have known that an unsupervised child would gain access to the firearm.”

I see nothing wrong with that. You are stupid enough to leave a gun where a kid can get it and they do something bad with it, yeah the adult who is responsible for that gun is damn well the person responsible for what the kid did with it. I have an issue if the child is intentionally allowed access to said firearm and they don’t do anything bad with it. Some kids can be trusted, some can’t. I don’t know better than the parent.

Hopefully the parent does know their kid well enough. But ultimately to me a parent is responsible for the actions of their kids to either great or lesser extent. So if the law allows the state to punish parents for leaving a loaded gun sitting in a drawer and their 5 year old shoots the neighbors 8yr old that doesn’t sound like a bad thing to me. I also don’t think the state should be able to punish parents who allow their 10yr old access to a 22 on a farm and the kid...never does anything wrong with it.

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