somd_mustangs
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- Jul 1, 2012
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Cool! I get overwhelmed when looking for 1911 parts on there and get frustrated.
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I just picked mine up from my FFL this afternoon. Serial number 933XXX. It also carries RIA and FK stamps on the frame.
Frame: Remington Rand, from 1942
Slide and barrel: Colt
Overall condition is decent, with a couple nicks on the barrel crown. The pistol is dry. I'll give it a good cleaning, then lube. After that, I'll have to see how it shoots this week at AAF&G.
JoeR
Frame: Remington Rand, from 1942
Slide and barrel: Colt
Overall condition is decent, with a couple nicks on the barrel crown. The pistol is dry. I'll give it a good cleaning, then lube. After that, I'll have to see how it shoots this week at AAF&G.
JoeR
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Pics?
...ask and ye shall receive.
ETA: I just looked up the FK marking on the frame. Frank Krack was the Assistant Foreman of the Inspection Division of RIA until his retirement in July, 1946. With that info, I assume the pistol was re-arsenaled at RIA immediately after the war and then put into storage. I plan on doing a FOIA request to see if I can get any more information about it.
![20220511_155912[1]_1911_left_sm.jpg](https://www.mdshooters.com/data/attachments/318/318348-cb4ca9f247ed75f09e6b0a6835f6374b.jpg "20220511_155912[1]_1911_left_sm.jpg")
![20220511_155831[1]_1911_right_sm.jpg](https://www.mdshooters.com/data/attachments/318/318349-f66ecfd50742c4bd63317194b163c983.jpg "20220511_155831[1]_1911_right_sm.jpg")
ETA: I just looked up the FK marking on the frame. Frank Krack was the Assistant Foreman of the Inspection Division of RIA until his retirement in July, 1946. With that info, I assume the pistol was re-arsenaled at RIA immediately after the war and then put into storage. I plan on doing a FOIA request to see if I can get any more information about it.
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why2kmax
Jacka$$
Finaly got the call on Monday from CMP and picked it up on Friday afternoon. My # was 31461. Rack and Field were the only two available so I chose Field. I got a 1944 Remington Rand 19449xx in great condition. P marks where they should be, FJA on left frame. Barrel has an 86 on apart from the serial number, assuming thats 1986? Also has M and P stamped on it. Trigger guard has some numbers I cant find answers to yet. Right side has a 1 and a 7 Left side has what looks maybe like the flaming bomb but that doesnt make sense. Still researching stuff. Very Happy with it.
ken792
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Looks like a drawing number on top of the barrel, so that’s a postwar replacement. I think the 86 would be the date. The P is for proof firing and the M is for magnaflux particle inspection.
Good looking Field Grade plus you got RR top and bottom, nice.
lisa788
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- Jan 13, 2019
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Picked up this beauty today! I was given a choice of all 3 grades and went with Field grade. My RGN was 30,771. Got the call from CMP on 29 April and apparently it was shipped to my FFL on 3 May....The FFL didn't tell me it arrived until 22 June....Since I didn't have any tracking info, I assumed CMP was processing it. Not sure what happened during that 2 month gap...maybe the FFL forgot to tell me they received it.
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lisa788
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Looks like she was manufactured in 1944, Remington Rand frame and Colt slide. I can barely make out the FJA initials and Ordinance wheel stamp.
lisa788
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- Jan 13, 2019
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The sight seems to be pretty far to the right. Are these sighted-in or test fired by CMP before they ship it?
Sorry for the multiple posts, need to get my post count up for Watercooler access. These are rookie post numbers!
Sorry for the multiple posts, need to get my post count up for Watercooler access. These are rookie post numbers!
Blacksmith101
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- Jun 22, 2012
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I think the CMP only test fires for function at least for M1's. So you need to plan a range trip for sighting in, you would anyway because very few people shoot to the same zero. My guess would be that rear sight got bumped at some time in storage and handling.
Take a brass drift with you and remember move the rear sight in the same direction as you want to move the impact on the target.
Take a brass drift with you and remember move the rear sight in the same direction as you want to move the impact on the target.
ken792
Ultimate Member
Mine was also drifted way over, and the original witness mark on the slide indicated it was meant to be that way.
When I shot it, it was way off, and I had to drift the rear sight centered to make it shoot centered.
Darn, but those pistoles are beautiful.
I have a Springfield 1911 made in ‘17, and need to mate it to a ‘43 or ‘44 Remington A1. Maybe they’ll have babies.
I tend to think the extra change might be worth it to buy one of the ones on the auction site?
I’ve mentioned that here before, but am always interested on your thoughts?
I have a Springfield 1911 made in ‘17, and need to mate it to a ‘43 or ‘44 Remington A1. Maybe they’ll have babies.
I tend to think the extra change might be worth it to buy one of the ones on the auction site?
I’ve mentioned that here before, but am always interested on your thoughts?
lisa788
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- Jan 13, 2019
- 21
That's good to know @Blacksmith101 and @ken792, thanks.
Not sure how often they show up on the CMP auction site, but I imagine it'll be easier to find the specific model you're looking for on GunBroker.
Not sure how often they show up on the CMP auction site, but I imagine it'll be easier to find the specific model you're looking for on GunBroker.
somd_mustangs
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- Jul 1, 2012
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Just casual perusal of the CMP auction sites, and the prices are typically, well, quite high for what you get.
It depends on your goals though, whether you want a 100% original collector piece or just a nice shooter with some "history" to it - or maybe something in between. In the long run working with a trustworthy dealer is usually the best bet for a collector condition pistol and you're better off spending the extra coin there then at an auction. Auction houses (RIA, etc) are a crap-shoot and usually have no inspection period and/or returns. Most reputable sellers on Gunbroker, Auction Arms, Guns International, etc do offer inspection periods, as do pretty much any decent dealer you buy from directly. One unfortunate development on GunBroker, aside from all the recent fraudsters, is the sales tax and "convenience" fee so you have to factor that in. Account for the outrageous buyers premiums - in addition to taxes - that auction houses charge.
It depends on your goals though, whether you want a 100% original collector piece or just a nice shooter with some "history" to it - or maybe something in between. In the long run working with a trustworthy dealer is usually the best bet for a collector condition pistol and you're better off spending the extra coin there then at an auction. Auction houses (RIA, etc) are a crap-shoot and usually have no inspection period and/or returns. Most reputable sellers on Gunbroker, Auction Arms, Guns International, etc do offer inspection periods, as do pretty much any decent dealer you buy from directly. One unfortunate development on GunBroker, aside from all the recent fraudsters, is the sales tax and "convenience" fee so you have to factor that in. Account for the outrageous buyers premiums - in addition to taxes - that auction houses charge.
Thank you, Lisa and ‘Stang.
Of course, you both are right.
The most attractive aspect to me about CMP guns is the provenance of an “all original” gun - which I guess appear rarely and only on the auction site.
For example, I have several “Collector Grade” Garands I bought over the years from CMP…spectacular examples in that specific grade, and that came from what I think is the most reliable source. Only better source, I guess, is from the hands of a vet who personally “brought it back”.
But, hey, the hunt is half the fun of collecting!
Of course, you both are right.
The most attractive aspect to me about CMP guns is the provenance of an “all original” gun - which I guess appear rarely and only on the auction site.
For example, I have several “Collector Grade” Garands I bought over the years from CMP…spectacular examples in that specific grade, and that came from what I think is the most reliable source. Only better source, I guess, is from the hands of a vet who personally “brought it back”.
But, hey, the hunt is half the fun of collecting!
somd_mustangs
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Agree, I do find the hunt, and digging out obscure stuff, is a big part of the enjoyment!
As is learning the history behind them.
Some of the big collections are being sold off as the older generation is passing on, and those pistols are well-documented - e.g. Charles Clawson's collection. Most seem to get passed directly to high-end collectors but you'll see them occasionally on RIA or dealer websites. Those typically aren't cheap either but you get the value in the provenance esp if it's in a book like Clawson's.
As is learning the history behind them.
Some of the big collections are being sold off as the older generation is passing on, and those pistols are well-documented - e.g. Charles Clawson's collection. Most seem to get passed directly to high-end collectors but you'll see them occasionally on RIA or dealer websites. Those typically aren't cheap either but you get the value in the provenance esp if it's in a book like Clawson's.
303_enfield
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Round 3 starts in a few days.
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lisa788
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- Jan 13, 2019
- 21
Service Grade $1250, Field Grade $1150, Rack Grade $1050
A $200 price increase?! Glad I got one in the last round.
A $200 price increase?! Glad I got one in the last round.
Round 3 starts in a few days.
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The latest on the CMP 1911 sales will be posted on this page, including ordering and grade information as well as availability.
why2kmax
Jacka$$
Interesting they added a "range grade" with mix of modern parts
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