Don't THINK ANNAPOLIS DOESN'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE?

Muleskinner · Feb 21, 2017

I like listening to the police scanner..I have done it since I was a kid listening to hear my Dad and his friends on the air..I'm sitting here and an officer from Baltimore County requests gun information from dispatch...a few minutes go by and she reads out a list of make model caliber and serial number of about a dozen firearms that this person owns...

So tell me, where do they get that information and is it legal for them to have?

(it's rhetorical, I already know the answer to the first part)

zoostation · Feb 21, 2017

It's all in MILES on everything you've ever done a 77R or NFA paperwork on. Though to be honest I never heard anyone ever read a list on the air like that, but it's certainly something they are able to do. On stuff without a 77R or MSP processed NFA ppw, it's not in there. The whole legality thing is too long for me to get into right now. But basically as long as they aren't using federal funds to maintain the database, MD feels it is complying with federal law.

DC-W · Feb 21, 2017

MSP Form 77r

Rack&Roll · Feb 21, 2017

And the stupid: MSP database does not delete a firearm from the list when you transfer. It means multiple people have that firearm on that list.

CypherPunk · Feb 21, 2017

https://mobile.twitter.com/mkapor/status/833914148140388353

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Kapor

Muleskinner · Feb 21, 2017

zoostation said:
It's all in MILES on everything you've ever done a 77R or NFA paperwork on. Though to be honest I never heard anyone ever read a list on the air like that, but it's certainly something they are able to do. On stuff without a 77R or MSP processed NFA ppw, it's not in there. The whole legality thing is too long for me to get into right now. But basically as long as they aren't using federal funds to maintain the database, MD feels it is complying with federal law.

It's odd though..After my father retired from the PD he went to work as a 911 operator/dispatcher. One day he brought me a print out of every firearm I owned at the time...Now I was in the military for 6 years and stationed at various places in the country and purchased firearms in every state I was ever stationed..and although it was a Maryland report every one of those guns was on that list...From Illinois, California, Mississippi, Florida and South Carolina..So i'm not sure that the federal government isn't providing information...

And you're right...6 years in the PD myself and I never heard a dispatcher read a list like that over the air...but there is was...for the entire world to hear...

iH8DemLibz · Feb 21, 2017

Did the on-air list include any long guns?

If so, that right there would be troubling.

Dogmeat · Feb 21, 2017

For some on this board, their list would take a looooooooooong time to read. :innocent0

Muleskinner · Feb 21, 2017

iH8DemLibz said:
Did the on-air list include any long guns?

If so, that right there would be troubling.

yes, 2 .22 rifles..

Muleskinner · Feb 21, 2017

Dogmeat said:
Some some on this board, their list would take a looooooooooong time to read.

Yeah...some here would need a phone book...

Dogmeat · Feb 21, 2017

Interesting question would be if the long guns have always been there, or if that is another "benefit" of the HQL. Another question of course, would be who is keeping the long term records on the long guns? We "know" the Feds aren't supposed to do that. :liar:

Muleskinner · Feb 21, 2017

iH8DemLibz said:
Did the on-air list include any long guns?

If so, that right there would be troubling.

Back when my Dad gave me the list of my guns I didn't own a single handgun..they were all rifles and shotguns...most were hunting guns..at the time the only black rifle I owned was an H&K 93... This would have been in the late 80s...it appears to me like someone has a database...

Vic · Feb 21, 2017

Wish they made a worm for some of those databases.

Muleskinner · Feb 21, 2017

Dogmeat said:
Interesting question would be if the long guns have always been there, or if that is another "benefit" of the HQL. Another question of course, would be who is keeping the long term records on the long guns? We "know" the Feds aren't supposed to do that.

I can't see how Maryland could have known about every firearm I owned as most were purchased in another state without the help of the Federal government..they are the only common denominator in the equation...

Bourbonstamps · Feb 21, 2017

Holy Shit, i would love to see this made public

ROBAR35 · Feb 21, 2017

When the D.C. sniper shootings were going on some time ago the FBI showed up at my house on a Sunday to ask me some questions. The Agent was very courteous and professional and informed me that my name came up in a data base of people that had received formal sniper training and that they were just running down leads. Yea, they have a database

A1Uni · Feb 21, 2017

The MGUN system that is within MILES has NO record of non-regulated firearms, at all, so if they came back with LG info on a .22, it was from some other source, such as a police report containing that info.

Dealers sell those guns on a 4473 that MSP never sees. They don't even look at them during audits.

iH8DemLibz · Feb 21, 2017

Muleskinner said:
Back when my Dad gave me the list of my guns I didn't own a single handgun..they were all rifles and shotguns...most were hunting guns..at the time the only black rifle I owned was an H&K 93... This would have been in the late 80s...it appears to me like someone has a database...

I've always believed there's a long gun data base in this country.

It's too damned easy not to compile one.

Illegal or not.

iH8DemLibz · Feb 21, 2017

A1Uniform said:
The MGUN system that is within MILES has NO record of non-regulated firearms, at all, so if they came back with LG info on a .22, it was from some other source, such as a police report containing that info.

Dealers sell those guns on a 4473 that MSP never sees. They don't even look at them during audits.

Not being argumentative.

When an FFL calls in a NICS check on a non-regulated long gun, do you provide all of the firearm information to the background checker people?

Make. Model. Serial Number. Etc.

notfast · Feb 21, 2017

Are people surprised by this? Legal or not. Surprised it was broadcast over the air though.

I'm sure the government has made lists of people buying parts kits, 80% lowers etc. as well.

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