Gould v. O'Leary 1st Circuit(Mass. CCW challenge)

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  • press1280

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    wolfwood

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    I wonder which one will be issued first Young or this one. This case may beat Young. Peruta took a year for a opinon to be issued and there is en banc time after. CA1 is likely going to just rule against the plaintiffs so no need for en banc. Either way with a open circuit split the Supreme Court is going to take the first one that files a cert petition.
     

    GlocksAndPatriots

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    I wonder which one will be issued first Young or this one. This case may beat Young. Peruta took a year for a opinon to be issued and there is en banc time after. CA1 is likely going to just rule against the plaintiffs so no need for en banc. Either way with a open circuit split the Supreme Court is going to take the first one that files a cert petition.

    I'll bite. Why are you so confident that the SCOTUS will grant cert when they've denied all 50 (estimating) cases that have been appealed to them since Heller?
     

    wolfwood

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    I'll bite. Why are you so confident that the SCOTUS will grant cert when they've denied all 50 (estimating) cases that have been appealed to them since Heller?

    Because there is now a open circuit split between the D.C. Court of Appeals and the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Circuits.

    Prior to the D.C. Circuit's decision in Wrenn there was no Circuit split so the odds of granting cert was small. Now that there is a circuit split the odds have gone up dramatically.
     

    krucam

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    Because there is now a open circuit split between the D.C. Court of Appeals and the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Circuits.

    Prior to the D.C. Circuit's decision in Wrenn there was no Circuit split so the odds of granting cert was small. Now that there is a circuit split the odds have gone up dramatically.

    Don't forget to add Moore - 7th Circuit in the Win Column...
     

    wolfwood

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    Don't forget to add Moore - 7th Circuit in the Win Column...

    Moore is a great win but there was no split with Moore. The reason is Illinois had a complete ban so the 2nd 3rd and 4th Circuits were able to distinguish the 7th circuit from their may issue policies.
     

    GlocksAndPatriots

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    Because there is now a open circuit split between the D.C. Court of Appeals and the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Circuits.

    Prior to the D.C. Circuit's decision in Wrenn there was no Circuit split so the odds of granting cert was small. Now that there is a circuit split the odds have gone up dramatically.

    I don't agree. There are plenty of cases where they've granted cert with no split. I don't see the constant denials changing until RBG is dead.
     

    press1280

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    http://comm2a.org/55-projects/234-gould

    Numerous briefs have recently been posted on the Comm2A link above. Once again, the antis' briefs try to make this a pure CCW case (Mass' carry permit is not specific to open/concealed), and several don't even cite Wrenn (they think the judges won't be made aware of it?), and they are also going with the "only in the home" strategy without specifically saying it. Appellants response is due June 28th.
     

    press1280

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    Wow, that's pretty quick. I think we should know who the panel is pretty soon too.

    I'm a little disappointed that the other side has more amicus briefs than our side, even if they are bad ones.
     

    wolfwood

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    I waited 5 Years for oral argument in Young after briefing was completed
    The First Circuit gives these guys oral argument in a month after briefing
    that is not fair
     

    motorcoachdoug

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    In my book that shows me just how far the 1st Circuit has gone to the left and will do everything it can to restrict 2A rights of the people that they are supposed to serve when in reality the only people they serve is the "privilege"class
     

    press1280

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    In my book that shows me just how far the 1st Circuit has gone to the left and will do everything it can to restrict 2A rights of the people that they are supposed to serve when in reality the only people they serve is the "privilege"class

    How does the quick turnaround on oral arguments restrict the 2A?
     

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