FFL refused to transfer high capacity mag

Gtrnn · May 12, 2020

How did you have your high capacity magazines transferred with the gun?
Went to pick up CZ Shadow 2 today and I'm told that this FFL wouldn't put magazine block to make it ten rounds and would not transfer magazines otherwise. Not wanting to send to VA address either. I asked if she can keep the base plates and I'll take home mag tubes, spring and feeder (aka not magazine) andbuy new base plates since this will be for a competition anyway. Nope.
I asked her to send to the other FFL in MD that may be willing to do something. We shall see.

Blaster229 · May 12, 2020

Worth a shot?

AssMan · May 12, 2020

Maybe just buy the reduced capacity bits and have her reassemble them there for transfer?

gwchem · May 12, 2020

The first rule about magazine club...

mac1_131 · May 12, 2020

I think short answer is you don’t.

Either buy something without mags, with 10 rounders, have the ffl remove them and maybe give you a discount but I think most won’t.

Accept the loss and go out of state and buy them.

Art3 · May 12, 2020

If I remember correctly, some level of our ruling overlords (probably MSP) recently decided that it was illegal for the MD FFL to even offer to send the mags out of state for you.

We need to change the laws. Step 1 is changing the people who make the laws. Vote Dem Out!

danb · May 12, 2020

You can't have them transferred in MD, lol. MDSP told FFLs not to send out of state too. Nor can they give you the parts knowing the intent is to reassemble them.

The inability to block the magazine is the only real complaint.... keep in mind though proper magazine blockage requires epoxy and is permanent.

Where I got my standard size magazines.... Virginia.

Melnic · May 12, 2020

I recall MD sent out a letter stating an FFL can't ship a magazine to you or anyone else when its part of a purchase. Maybe someone can dig that up who knows where it is.
Really you as the buyer have to figure this stuff out ahead of time unfortunately and ask questions before anything starts.
Like if you buy online and ship to local FFL, you have to ask the supplier if they will ship to FFL, then you have to ask the local FFL if they will block to compliance. YOU can then do what you need to do in order to stay legal in compliance with MD laws.

rseymorejr · May 12, 2020

danb said:
keep in mind though proper magazine blockage requires epoxy and is permanent.

Really? That doesn't seem to agree with what I may or may not have seen

davsco · May 12, 2020

what would the mags cost separately? maybe worth it for you to let them just keep the mags vs cost of shipping the gun and another transfer etc.

unfortunately, that's the kind of stuff you need to get worked out with your proposed ffl before you have the gun shipped to them.

maybe if you gave them a prepaid usps flat rate box, they'd mail the mags to a buddy in va or pa?

Gtrnn · May 12, 2020

She won't reassemble or modify anything about magazine. I bought online from out of state website which is a lot cheaper. I looked at what the law says. According to the advisory memo on Sep 25, 2013 from MSP stated that Maryland licensed dealer may modify the detachable magazine as long as the magazine is not capable of being readily converted to original capacity.
Unless something has changed from that advisory

danb · May 12, 2020

rseymorejr said:
Really? That doesn't seem to agree with what I may or may not have seen

I may or may not know what you mean. But what happens at magazine club stays at magazine club.

What I posted is the correct answer.

3paul10 · May 12, 2020

FFL will not risk their livelihood for your mags.

danb · May 12, 2020

Yeah we've all been there and MD laws are absurd.

Drive to VA and get some mags.

Problem solved.

shadow116 · May 12, 2020

mac1_131 said:
Accept the loss and go out of state and buy them.

This.

When you buy online and transfer to a MD FFL, You are the responsible party to ensure make sure you are buying MD a complaint gun and parts.

CZ Peasy · May 12, 2020

Gtrnn said:
...Maryland licensed dealer may modify the detachable magazine as long as the magazine is not capable of being readily converted to original capacity.
Unless something has changed from that advisory

The dealer may do it but they don't have to. Their store, their rules. It's way too much risk for them. You should have checked their policy before shipping. Accept the loss of the mags and move on.

danb · May 12, 2020

rseymorejr said:
Really? That doesn't seem to agree with what I may or may not have seen

So just to clarify it needs to be permanent. There are other ways to block a mag that don't involve epoxy. Atlantic Guns sent me an abomination involving a giant grommet in MP5 mags. :lol2:

The plastic that blocks the follower should be epoxied.

Its all good, the price paid for Maryland absurdity.

Sirex · May 12, 2020

As I have done, have the transfer done, minus the mag. You're gonna have to eat the cost of the mag, then either buy a 10rd mag off eBay temporarily until you can get another mag out of state. Probably gonna cost ya more to have your FFL ship it to another FFL, and do the transfer. The price of living in The Free State.

Occam · May 12, 2020

This is why - if you're a Maryland resident who likes guns - you develop a long standing relationship with your LGS, rather than always trying to save a couple of pizza's worth of money when buying a $1000+ gun. Because they'll properly block the factory mags for you, send you happily on your way, and you both know there will be more business later. Yeah, and then you go to VA or PA and buy a couple hundred worth of additional mags for that new CZ, or have a mail order house ship them to a friendly out of state address so you can legally take possession of them. None of this hassle is EVER worth that slightly better perceived deal from some out of state source and then the FFL dance.

Stoveman · May 12, 2020

Occam said:
This is why - if you're a Maryland resident who likes guns - you develop a long standing relationship with your LGS, rather than always trying to save a couple of pizza's worth of money when buying a $1000+ gun. Because they'll properly block the factory mags for you, send you happily on your way, and you both know there will be more business later. Yeah, and then you go to VA or PA and buy a couple hundred worth of additional mags for that new CZ, or have a mail order house ship them to a friendly out of state address so you can legally take possession of them. None of this hassle is EVER worth that slightly better perceived deal from some out of state source and then the FFL dance.

QFT and F Worth a Shit for so many reasons.

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