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yellowsled · May 15, 2020

frogman68 said:
Looked at the Classic site the 76's are under handguns not C&R email was wrong!!!

Website (still) shows C&R
https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-model-76-target-pistol-surplus-22-lr-caliber/

frogman68 · May 15, 2020

yellowsled said:
Website (still) shows C&R
https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-model-76-target-pistol-surplus-22-lr-caliber/

Strange as it isnt listed under the C&R Eligible but does under Handguns . Someone asked about it and they answered. Think we can screenshot it and order em and tell the ATF here is our proof !!!!

tallen702 · May 15, 2020

yellowsled said:
Website (still) shows C&R
https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-model-76-target-pistol-surplus-22-lr-caliber/

It's not listed under the C&R header when you look through the catalog though. Regardless, it's gone on for too many days for it to be a mistake but Classic not address it.

I'm tempted to email the FTB and ask if it is indeed C&R just to get clarification.

Edit: Screw it, just emailed FTB to ask without pointing any fingers. I'll let you know what they say.

Edit#2: The FTB guys aren't being super helpful, but their answer was, if it's not in the 2018 determination book (latest update) and it's less than 50 years old, then it's not eligible and Classic has mislabeled something.

CasualObserver · May 15, 2020

frogman68 said:
Strange as it isnt listed under the C&R Eligible but does under Handguns . Someone asked about it and they answered. Think we can screenshot it and order em and tell the ATF here is our proof !!!!

I thought maybe they (or someone) got some museum to submit them to the ATF and they got the letter to qualify them as C&R but it won't be in the C&R publication until they come out with the next one (whenever that is). Post war P1s I think maybe were in that category. They were for sale for C&R a year or two before they showed up in the C&R publication... though I could be mixing them up with P64s or some other surplus (or be totally wrong... my GF reminds me that can happen occasionally)

tallen702 · May 15, 2020

CasualObserver said:
I thought maybe they (or someone) got some museum to submit them to the ATF and they got the letter to qualify them as C&R but it won't be in the C&R publication until they come out with the next one (whenever that is). Post war P1s I think maybe were in that category. They were for sale for C&R a year or two before they showed up in the C&R publication... though I could be mixing them up with P64s or some other surplus (or be totally wrong... my GF reminds me that can happen occasionally)

So which of you gents is going to roll the dice and let us know how it goes.

yellowsled · May 16, 2020

Isnt it just possible that they got the approval for C&R status before/during/after the import process and just has not been put in the book yet? We all know that book rarely gets updated. They sell guns for a living, i am hard pressed to remotely think they would sell a gun they say is C&R to a C&R holder and it wasn't. Why jeopardize their FFL01? Im just not buying it. If I was in the market for this, i would grab with with my C&R with no concerns.

whistlersmother · May 16, 2020

Does BAFTE send a letter or documentation to the originator of the C$R request? If so, I would think posting it would go a long way in alleviating any concerns about these.

yellowsled · May 16, 2020

What obligation do they have to do that? Its very possible the letter could be digitally altered for other firearms if posted online. When a major vendor says a newly imported type of firearm is C&R and are willing to sell it as such, i tend to believe them. my .02

lazarus · May 18, 2020

yellowsled said:
What obligation do they have to do that? Its very possible the letter could be digitally altered for other firearms if posted online. When a major vendor says a newly imported type of firearm is C&R and are willing to sell it as such, i tend to believe them. my .02

None so far as I am aware. Just like firearm brace makers or 80% makers have no obligation to publish ATF letters signing off on their product.

But it’s still a good idea. Manufacturers publish ATF letters all the time to prove their thing is okay.

You purchasing something that isn’t C&R on your license puts you at risk if the item is not in fact C&R. Now I doubt ATF will haul you away even if they found out. The item is being misrepresented by the seller. The bigger risk is that they are not C&R and Classic/ATF sends out a mandatory recall and/or requiring it to be transferred to an FFL-01 and then back to you or some similar craziness.

All I am getting at is some statement by them would be nice beyond just listing it at C&R. One or two sentences of “we submitted this to the ATF for classification as a curio because of its interesting history and they recently approved it. So we are selling these as C&R, get your license out folks!”

Alphabrew · May 18, 2020

If you have a dog, don’t buy one of those pistols from Classic

frogman68 · May 18, 2020

Latest Classic email doesn’t show it as C&R and clicking the link the site doesn’t show it as C&R guess they got it right

TapRackBang · May 18, 2020

Still says C&R on the site: "License Requirement Curio and Relic"

https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-model-76-target-pistol-surplus-22-lr-caliber/

frogman68 · May 18, 2020

TapRackBang said:
Still says C&R on the site: "License Requirement Curio and Relic"

https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-model-76-target-pistol-surplus-22-lr-caliber/

missed a spot??? towards the bottom it says C&R but no where else anymore. The answer for the question about it not being C&R has been removed

TapRackBang · May 18, 2020

Picture still also has "C&R Eligible" just to the left of the order box. Maybe they missed two spots.

somd_mustangs · Jun 11, 2020

Simpson has been listing another large batch of Swiss rifles, 1889, 1911, K31, K38 (whatever it takes).
The lesser cosmetic ones seem very reasonably priced too, but not my wheelhouse.

as an example:
https://simpsonltd.com/swiss-k11-carbine-z43189/

somd_mustangs · Jun 11, 2020

Alphabrew · Jun 26, 2020

SOS has 1951s but I seriously doubt that they’ll accept a C&R license.

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/251207

Sirex · Jul 9, 2020

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MilsurpDan · Jul 15, 2020

Chinese Type 54 Tokarev pistols at RGuns!

https://rguns.net/shop/ak74-5-45x39-stripper-clip/

Must’ve come out of Albania with the Chinese SKS’ and Type 53’s.

I think I’m gonna take a gamble and order one. Price doesn’t seem too unreasonable.

MilsurpDan · Jul 15, 2020

Chinese Type 54 Tokarev pistols at RGuns!

https://rguns.net/shop/ak74-5-45x39-stripper-clip/

Must’ve come out of Albania with the Chinese SKS’ and Type 53’s.

I think I’m gonna take a gamble and order one. Price doesn’t seem too unreasonable.

These also have the trigger safety (like a Glock) no stupid flip safety like on the Romanian/Polish/Yugo Tokarevs

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