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  • Zorros

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 10, 2017
    1,407
    Metropolis
    Musings on the loss of gun rights on a sunday afternoon.
    We are in trouble, not nationally for now, but in maryland and so other the citizens in other northeast states.
    It is bell ringing for members of the legislature to react to mass shootings with legislation that allows them to tell their constituents they are doing something to keep them safe. They fsll all over themselves rushing to file their bills and support similar bills, in the back slapping, cover me/ cover you in the legislature.
    Although very little they do legislativly will keep people safe.
    Bans on some rifles, bans on hi cap magazines do not prevent someone from obtaining them. Or using them against other people to commit crimes. Nothing they do or can do will prevent the importation of handguns from other states to criminals in this state. 70% of handguns acquired in maryland each year come from out of state ( but the legislature sure puts us thru the ringer if we want to buy a handgun).
    We are in trouble in this state because our 4th circuit federal appellate court has said over and over again that if it does find a restriction in a legislative bill to be on its face the sort of thing that does fall under 2A, and might be protected by 2A ( for example it held the ban of AR rifles and hi cap mags legal, declaring that AR rifles are “like M16sl and unprotected under 2A) they have shown a tendancy to review all guns laws under a standard that can not result in invalidation. They merely need to show the state has a compeeling interest in the outcome and the legislation advances that outcome.
    The supreme court’s holdings are partially helpful ( handguns can’t be banned and persons otherwise permitted by law to possess them, may in the home) and partially unhelpful ( like any other constitutional right, the 2A is subject to restrictions).
    The supreme court has had opportunities to rule on 2A restrictions and has often passed.
    Perhaps it awaits one more 2A leaning justice. Perhaps ( aside from thomas) it simply does not want to tackle the issue.
    Under these circumstances, an anti gun legislature, an anti gun court of appeals, and a supreme court that may be bidding its time, waiting for the makeup of the court to change, we are in trouble.
    Once a maryland restrictive law passes there is little chance of a court invalidating it.
    Our only hope is speak in a loud and collective voice that speaks louder and with greater interest than the antigunners. That, and a governor who is willing to support those lawful citizens of the state whose 2A rights are being taken, by standing up to the legislature and vetong those bills that will make us criminals and have not reasonable affect on the safety of others.
    Enough said.
     

    Cruacious

    C&R Farmer
    Apr 29, 2015
    1,628
    Elkton
    It's been past time to leave for me, but I'm sadly rooted down currently. Can't afford to move, don't want to stay. Such are the woes of life.

    Because, honestly, unless the Supreme Court acts Maryland is Doomed regarding 2A issues. There is no path to victory in a deep blue state.
     

    SCV/SAR Patriot

    UNRECONSTRUCTED
    Musings on the loss of gun rights on a sunday afternoon.
    We are in trouble, not nationally for now, but in maryland and so other the citizens in other northeast states.
    It is bell ringing for members of the legislature to react to mass shootings with legislation that allows them to tell their constituents they are doing something to keep them safe. They fsll all over themselves rushing to file their bills and support similar bills, in the back slapping, cover me/ cover you in the legislature.
    Although very little they do legislativly will keep people safe.
    Bans on some rifles, bans on hi cap magazines do not prevent someone from obtaining them. Or using them against other people to commit crimes. Nothing they do or can do will prevent the importation of handguns from other states to criminals in this state. 70% of handguns acquired in maryland each year come from out of state ( but the legislature sure puts us thru the ringer if we want to buy a handgun).
    We are in trouble in this state because our 4th circuit federal appellate court has said over and over again that if it does find a restriction in a legislative bill to be on its face the sort of thing that does fall under 2A, and might be protected by 2A ( for example it held the ban of AR rifles and hi cap mags legal, declaring that AR rifles are “like M16sl and unprotected under 2A) they have shown a tendancy to review all guns laws under a standard that can not result in invalidation. They merely need to show the state has a compeeling interest in the outcome and the legislation advances that outcome.
    The supreme court’s holdings are partially helpful ( handguns can’t be banned and persons otherwise permitted by law to possess them, may in the home) and partially unhelpful ( like any other constitutional right, the 2A is subject to restrictions).
    The supreme court has had opportunities to rule on 2A restrictions and has often passed.
    Perhaps it awaits one more 2A leaning justice. Perhaps ( aside from thomas) it simply does not want to tackle the issue.
    Under these circumstances, an anti gun legislature, an anti gun court of appeals, and a supreme court that may be bidding its time, waiting for the makeup of the court to change, we are in trouble.
    Once a maryland restrictive law passes there is little chance of a court invalidating it.
    Our only hope is speak in a loud and collective voice that speaks louder and with greater interest than the antigunners. That, and a governor who is willing to support those lawful citizens of the state whose 2A rights are being taken, by standing up to the legislature and vetong those bills that will make us criminals and have not reasonable affect on the safety of others.
    Enough said.

    Good luck with that, Hogan has yet to make a statement about 2 of his citizens being unlawfully arrested for exercising their 1st amendment rights in “his” front yard.
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    Ah, in case you have not noticed, Maryland and northeast states have been "in trouble" for a while.

    FYI every single year they introduce a shit ton of bills and make a big show. Van Hollen the douche introduced his terror watch bill and made a HUGE show of it the year he was running for Senate. I really thought it would pass... but it didn't. This year the sponsors of the magazine ban bill walked it back in the hearing, but we will see.

    Since Hogan has been elected, we have eliminated the shell casing. Its a tiny thing, was a major PITA, but in a state where they introduce 35 anti-gun bills every year and make a big show, its something. Holding the line and stopping the enemy from advancing is not sexy, but sometimes its as good as it gets.

    If Anthony Brown were gov, or Madaleno, or Kommienutz, God help us all.


    by the way... our "only hope" is to ensure that a pro-2A GOP holds the Senate, so we can get 2+ seats on the Supreme Court. There will be some vacancies in 2019, guaranteed. We have to play the long game.
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 22, 2009
    59,838
    Bel Air
    They make a show of it. Stroke the Moms who demand action. After FSA 2013, they frankly don’t know what else to do. They introduce poorly thought out bills....so bad even the sponsors of the bills are shocked at what they are hearing when the bills are being discussed. They won’t get anywhere and then blame the NRA.
     
    Nov 19, 2015
    44
    Carney
    I think there are 2 huge issues here, one of culture and one of education. we all live line a very politically divide State and it has been that way have for almost 150 years.

    The culture of the Left isn't the same as it was though in let's say the 1940s though. The concept of "The Classical Liberal" is becoming more and more rare. What we have today are Socialists, Radical Communists and Anarcho-Communists all touting that Supreme Governmental Authority is the only way to make people "Feel Safe". They don't understand or don't care that The Constitution doesn't care how you feel, It's only purpose is to guarantee you inalienable Human rights granted to by your creator. I'm 34 years old and I thank what ever is up above that I missed the indoctrination that The Government is both Mother and Father and will keep the spooky monsters out from under my bed. What we have to fight against is the culture of people who literally want to be serfs and Have Mother/Father Government take care of everything and let them live in peace watching TV, post on Facebook, and LARP that they are Revolutionaries.

    The second big thing is education. Most if not all of us here know what a Ruger Mini14 is and how it's effectively the same as an AR15, but the a Leftist or a Millennial, (I know that's more likely than not the same thing) one looks like Grandpa's gun and the other looks like it's a scary Military gun. I've had countless conversations with people of my generation and they always say "That gun was made to only take a human life" to which my response is always "Why do you think The Mosin Nagant was made, or The Colt New Model Army?" Then with the magic of cell phones I can show them these guns. They always respond with "That's old so it doesn't matter" never understanding that every gun, used by some on who wants to kill a person will kill a person. The gun is a tool, like a hammer, and it's the person behind that tool that makes it dangerous. The Anti-2A people only act on emotion and aesthetics. Look at the MD gun ban from 2013, all they did was copy and paste the Call of Duty 2 weapon wiki and called it a day.
     

    CZ Peasy

    Active Member
    Jun 29, 2012
    157
    I've had countless conversations with people of my generation and they always say "That gun was made to only take a human life" ...

    I always respond to that false statement by telling them that the only purpose of firearms is to preserve human life and defend liberty. It throws it right back in their face Trump style while opening opportunities for discussion as they stammer "but.... but....but..." It covers self defense, hunting, and anti-tyranny functions.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,109
    Musings on the loss of gun rights on a sunday afternoon.
    We are in trouble, not nationally for now, but in maryland and so other the citizens in other northeast states.
    It is bell ringing for members of the legislature to react to mass shootings with legislation that allows them to tell their constituents they are doing something to keep them safe. They fsll all over themselves rushing to file their bills and support similar bills, in the back slapping, cover me/ cover you in the legislature.
    Although very little they do legislativly will keep people safe.
    Bans on some rifles, bans on hi cap magazines do not prevent someone from obtaining them. Or using them against other people to commit crimes. Nothing they do or can do will prevent the importation of handguns from other states to criminals in this state. 70% of handguns acquired in maryland each year come from out of state ( but the legislature sure puts us thru the ringer if we want to buy a handgun).

    Cite please, because according to the last ATF trace stats from 2016 (2017 isn't available yest) 56% of handguns used in crimes came from Maryland, 10% came from VA, 6% came from PA, 3.5% came from WV, 3% from NC, 2.5% from FL, 2.2% from GA, and the remaining states traced 2 were less than 1%.

    We are in trouble in this state because our 4th circuit federal appellate court has said over and over again that if it does find a restriction in a legislative bill to be on its face the sort of thing that does fall under 2A, and might be protected by 2A ( for example it held the ban of AR rifles and hi cap mags legal, declaring that AR rifles are “like M16sl and unprotected under 2A) they have shown a tendancy to review all guns laws under a standard that can not result in invalidation. They merely need to show the state has a compeeling interest in the outcome and the legislation advances that outcome.
    The supreme court’s holdings are partially helpful ( handguns can’t be banned and persons otherwise permitted by law to possess them, may in the home) and partially unhelpful ( like any other constitutional right, the 2A is subject to restrictions).
    The supreme court has had opportunities to rule on 2A restrictions and has often passed.
    Perhaps it awaits one more 2A leaning justice. Perhaps ( aside from thomas) it simply does not want to tackle the issue.
    Under these circumstances, an anti gun legislature, an anti gun court of appeals, and a supreme court that may be bidding its time, waiting for the makeup of the court to change, we are in trouble.
    Once a maryland restrictive law passes there is little chance of a court invalidating it.
    Our only hope is speak in a loud and collective voice that speaks louder and with greater interest than the antigunners. That, and a governor who is willing to support those lawful citizens of the state whose 2A rights are being taken, by standing up to the legislature and vetong those bills that will make us criminals and have not reasonable affect on the safety of others.
    Enough said.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,109
    It's been past time to leave for me, but I'm sadly rooted down currently. Can't afford to move, don't want to stay. Such are the woes of life.

    Because, honestly, unless the Supreme Court acts Maryland is Doomed regarding 2A issues. There is no path to victory in a deep blue state.

    There is a very slim path and it starts in November, by re-electing Governor Hogan (wether you support him or not), Because upon re-election, he controls (for the most part) 2020 redistricting, and that could somewhat level the playing field for the next 10 years (2022, 2026, 2030 state elections).

    Also helping to gain 5 seats in the Senate and 8 seats in the House to prevent veto over rides. At which point the Democrats may not be as emboldened to try to pass some of this BS.
     
    Nov 19, 2015
    44
    Carney
    It covers self defense, hunting, and anti-tyranny functions.

    One of my favorites is using the "Trump is Hitler" argument against them.

    "So you think Trump is a Fascist right?"

    "He IS a Fascist!"

    "Let me get this right, you want a Fascist to take away all of the guns from private citizens, how would that turn out for you? That seems to be a good way for everyone that's not on his team to end up in a ditch somewhere"

    This usually ends the conversation because Leftists are really bad with (If, Then) logic statements. :sad20:
     

    fred55

    Senior
    Aug 24, 2016
    1,777
    Spotsylvania Co. VA
    re. DopplerOctopus.

    You make some interesting points in your post. My two millennial sons are far from liberals, they are very conservative and pro 2A. Part of that is my teaching, their grandfather's teaching, and sound critical thinking skills. They do refer to a portion of their contemporaries as liberal democrats though. They, pro 2A millennials, have some work to do with them :) They were also critical of some college professors teachings and positions (UofMD and Towson State.) I'm not sure how we address the general liberalism in the education and media systems. But that is another challenge for all with our views.

    I have not thought much about how violent video games may have impacted individuals' perceptions of firearms, I have never played them. But as those individuals age I'm curious those games affected their positions and voting tendencies.

    I also agree any halted anti-2A bill is a victory. Cheers, Fred55
     
    Feb 28, 2013
    28,953
    There is a very slim path and it starts in November, by re-electing Governor Hogan (wether you support him or not), Because upon re-election, he controls (for the most part) 2020 redistricting, and that could somewhat level the playing field for the next 10 years (2022, 2026, 2030 state elections).

    Also helping to gain 5 seats in the Senate and 8 seats in the House to prevent veto over rides. At which point the Democrats may not be as emboldened to try to pass some of this BS.

    Might not wanna git too optimisTic ‘bout that either. :ohnoes:

    Remember what jUst happened in PA when they tried that? Appeals court said “unh uh”, no you don’t.” :nono:

    The intenDed message bein’ of course....

    ”And NOBODY better attempt that kinda political incorrectness in the future”.:bullhorn:

    ...Unless ya gots enough money to stick in the right folks’ pockets, that is. :tinfoil2:
     

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