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Alrighty, I examined all of my enbloc clips and it seems that many of them are aftermarket. I used emery paper to smooth the guides on the sides and I greased the clip guide rails in the magazine well. Hopefully this will cure the difficulty inserting clips.
I only had one clip give me premature ejection issues and I think it was an aftermarket. I've ordered a set of snap caps so that I can safely test things out at home without wasting any ammo.
I only had one clip give me premature ejection issues and I think it was an aftermarket. I've ordered a set of snap caps so that I can safely test things out at home without wasting any ammo.
JohnC
Active Member
Triple aught steel wool works best + some CLP for smoothing out enblocs. Throw them in the brass polisher to clean the CLP off, and they should last a lifetime. Pre-mature ejection is probably not due to the clip, unless wildy out of spec. It's most likely due to the clip latch spring if consistently an issue.
Additionally, I would suggest not greasing the clip guides. Grease in the magazine area is a magnet for brass shavings, dirt and carbon. I'd avoid and clean it out. Use a drop of CLP on the magazine follower mechanism and that's it. Check out this site for complete maintenance ideas: http://www.garandgear.com/m1-garand-tutorials/.
The m1 is in my opinion one of the easiest semi-autos to keep running. You don't need to cake the thing in grease or oil. Honestly, anywhere that finish is missing due to pieces rubbing together is where you should put grease- that's it.
Red1917
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http://www.garandgear.com/m1-garand-grease I follow this and never had a problem
Keep it simple, any clips that are easy to load and hold the rounds straight should work fine. If they don't want to take the 8th round easily or look bent and don't hold the rounds cleanly I toss them
Keep it simple, any clips that are easy to load and hold the rounds straight should work fine. If they don't want to take the 8th round easily or look bent and don't hold the rounds cleanly I toss them
This is helpful. I had 2 or 3 that really fought taking the 8th round.
I was taught how to shoot my M-1 by a pro, he was an army drill instructor. Since the M-1 trigger has a lot of play he taught me to take up all the slack and then slowly squeeze the trigger until it fires. By his own words he said I should be surprised when the gun goes off. Then let the trigger out slowly until you hear the click and stop there. Then begin to slowly squeeze again. This process produces excellent groups! However, on rare occasions I do get a double fire , maybe one every two hundred shots.
TEN-X
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CMP Garand
I shot the Woodstock Military rifle match at Sanners Lake with a borrowed M1 last Oct. I got the bug and ordered a CMP Custom in 308, since I have a bunch of that. After a couple of minor teething problems, with Luke (the CMP armorer that built the rifle, and Rob, at Ammo Garand's help) I sighted the rifle with LR 118. Shot a match last week. The LR 118 shot well but I tried some Austrian Hirtenburger 147 ball that shot exceptionally well. I was getting a few fliers including 1 miss. I think it's my 71 yr old eyes to blame.
I have gotten some doubling with my AR's from the bench. If I pull the rifle in tight to my shoulder the problem goes away.
The triger is 5 3/4 lb. I like a pound taken off. How can I get in touch with Charlie.
I shot the Woodstock Military rifle match at Sanners Lake with a borrowed M1 last Oct. I got the bug and ordered a CMP Custom in 308, since I have a bunch of that. After a couple of minor teething problems, with Luke (the CMP armorer that built the rifle, and Rob, at Ammo Garand's help) I sighted the rifle with LR 118. Shot a match last week. The LR 118 shot well but I tried some Austrian Hirtenburger 147 ball that shot exceptionally well. I was getting a few fliers including 1 miss. I think it's my 71 yr old eyes to blame.
I have gotten some doubling with my AR's from the bench. If I pull the rifle in tight to my shoulder the problem goes away.
The triger is 5 3/4 lb. I like a pound taken off. How can I get in touch with Charlie.
Alrighty, I got a fresh order of contact lenses in on my latest prescription and they are stellar. I should be able to shoot the yolk out of an egg at 800 yards. Obviously my optical technicians have screwed up my eyeglasses twice in a row now. They're fired.
Your post had me thinking how it has been too long since I shot my Garand. Got it, my repaired Colt OP (had to replace and fit a new hand), and my AR-10 to the range on Friday. All worked flawlessly. I love shooting my Garand.
AR-10 even ran right for the first time. Installed an Adjustable gas block and that dropped my stove pipes from 1 in 2 to 1 in 5. Replaced the ejector spring with one that was several coils shorter. That dropped it from 1 in 5 to 1 in 10. I installed a brass deflector rubber bumper and it dropped the stove pipes to 0 in 30. Also no brass marring and it is piddling the cases 2ft away on the bench, rather than needing to go chase them down and some dented. Going to try installing them on some of my AR-15s.
Only thing that didn’t go right is I couldn’t find one piece of brass for my Garand. Shot 16 rounds PPU and 20 of some non-corrosive berdan primed stuff. Found all the berdan primed empties, but only 15 of my PPU cases. Oh well.
AR-10 even ran right for the first time. Installed an Adjustable gas block and that dropped my stove pipes from 1 in 2 to 1 in 5. Replaced the ejector spring with one that was several coils shorter. That dropped it from 1 in 5 to 1 in 10. I installed a brass deflector rubber bumper and it dropped the stove pipes to 0 in 30. Also no brass marring and it is piddling the cases 2ft away on the bench, rather than needing to go chase them down and some dented. Going to try installing them on some of my AR-15s.
Only thing that didn’t go right is I couldn’t find one piece of brass for my Garand. Shot 16 rounds PPU and 20 of some non-corrosive berdan primed stuff. Found all the berdan primed empties, but only 15 of my PPU cases. Oh well.
Ok, now that I have dummies to safely test my M1 at home, here's what (I think) I've discovered:
I think the premature clip ejection was a function of a crappy enbloc clip. It doesn't happen with other clips and the dummy rounds when manually cycling the rifle.
After watching many Youtube videos, some of which show young women easily loading a full clip with zero difficulty, I think I do have a small problem in that area. When I insert a clip, it goes down fairly easily about 2/3 of the way and gets pretty difficult after that. Exactly where I press down on the clip does seem to have some effect, but it seems much harder than it should be. I had used a Q-tip to apply a thin film of Hoppes grease to the guides in the magazine well, but this really had no effect. I used a Q-tip to wipe all the grease out and then I tried a light application of gun oil in the clip guides. This actually seemed to help but it's still not great. The resistance seems to be more than just a strong spring, I think I need to get the gun in my vise and shine a strong light to view the bottoms of the guides. I may have some burrs or something.
After I do get a clip inserted, the bolt *always* requires a slap to get that first round chambered. There seems no chance of getting M1 Thumb. Whether I'm shooting live rounds or manually cycling with the dummies, the action does work properly, you just need to slap the bolt home on that first round. From what I'm reading, new enbloc clips that are very tight are the cause of this. I hope that's the case and that this isn't a rifle malfunction. I think most of my enblocs are brand new. Some have stamps on the back and some don't.
Charlie did a lot of work on my rifle but I have no idea if he has dummies and enblocs and whether he bothers to test these functions. So after reading all this, what are your thoughts?
I think the premature clip ejection was a function of a crappy enbloc clip. It doesn't happen with other clips and the dummy rounds when manually cycling the rifle.
After watching many Youtube videos, some of which show young women easily loading a full clip with zero difficulty, I think I do have a small problem in that area. When I insert a clip, it goes down fairly easily about 2/3 of the way and gets pretty difficult after that. Exactly where I press down on the clip does seem to have some effect, but it seems much harder than it should be. I had used a Q-tip to apply a thin film of Hoppes grease to the guides in the magazine well, but this really had no effect. I used a Q-tip to wipe all the grease out and then I tried a light application of gun oil in the clip guides. This actually seemed to help but it's still not great. The resistance seems to be more than just a strong spring, I think I need to get the gun in my vise and shine a strong light to view the bottoms of the guides. I may have some burrs or something.
After I do get a clip inserted, the bolt *always* requires a slap to get that first round chambered. There seems no chance of getting M1 Thumb. Whether I'm shooting live rounds or manually cycling with the dummies, the action does work properly, you just need to slap the bolt home on that first round. From what I'm reading, new enbloc clips that are very tight are the cause of this. I hope that's the case and that this isn't a rifle malfunction. I think most of my enblocs are brand new. Some have stamps on the back and some don't.
Charlie did a lot of work on my rifle but I have no idea if he has dummies and enblocs and whether he bothers to test these functions. So after reading all this, what are your thoughts?
ken792
Ultimate Member
Are USGI clips rough to insert into the receiver too?
Op rod timing can make the rifle difficult to load if the op rod releases before the clip is low enough to lock.
My USGI clips allow the bolt to chamber the first round under its own tension more often than not. I have a pair of well worn clips that I use for rapid fire strings in competition. They always chamber on their own.
Op rod timing can make the rifle difficult to load if the op rod releases before the clip is low enough to lock.
My USGI clips allow the bolt to chamber the first round under its own tension more often than not. I have a pair of well worn clips that I use for rapid fire strings in competition. They always chamber on their own.
Exactly how do I identify genuine USGI clips? I'll tell you this- they all seem pretty tight. I know many of them are new.
ken792
Ultimate Member
The markings on the back, like SA, S, BR-W, IS, etc. I believe the 60s/70s Navy contract SA clips were unmarked.
Ok, I've sorted through my clips and practiced inserting full clips of dummies. These are quality dummies made from genuine shells, not plastic or aluminum.
The last 5 or 10% of insertion is a real bear. There are differences between clips. The best/easiest ones were blank (Springfield Armory?) and what looks like UAO but I think it must be DAQ (Quebec arsenal.)
I had difficulty with BRW 4 and AEC was the worst- Most difficult to stack with cartridges and most difficult to insert. On the difficult clips, it's not spring resistance. You feel a grinding as you push them that last 10%.
I've pressed the follower down by hand and it travels smoothly for its entire length without a clip. I've shone a strong light into the magazine well and the clip guide slots seem clean and smooth. I lubricated with a drop of oil which helped a little.
These clips are so dang tight that I will never get M1 thumb. The bolt NEVER goes forward without a porno film-grade butt slap. When I cycle the action, you can tell that the 1st round in the clip is adding a lot of tension. Once it's ejected, it gets much easier.
I think nearly all of my clips are new or never used. Could that be my real problem?
The last 5 or 10% of insertion is a real bear. There are differences between clips. The best/easiest ones were blank (Springfield Armory?) and what looks like UAO but I think it must be DAQ (Quebec arsenal.)
I had difficulty with BRW 4 and AEC was the worst- Most difficult to stack with cartridges and most difficult to insert. On the difficult clips, it's not spring resistance. You feel a grinding as you push them that last 10%.
I've pressed the follower down by hand and it travels smoothly for its entire length without a clip. I've shone a strong light into the magazine well and the clip guide slots seem clean and smooth. I lubricated with a drop of oil which helped a little.
These clips are so dang tight that I will never get M1 thumb. The bolt NEVER goes forward without a porno film-grade butt slap. When I cycle the action, you can tell that the 1st round in the clip is adding a lot of tension. Once it's ejected, it gets much easier.
I think nearly all of my clips are new or never used. Could that be my real problem?
Doco Overboard
Ultimate Member
Look very carefully at the bullet guide nose, sides parallel. Check follower for deformation especially the pins~ not twisted or bent, where they interact with the follower. No elongated holes-burrs out of round etc (both parts) or clip latch sticky, spring and pin free from grit/ dirt dried oil etc.
Guide nose needs to be in spec,.183 high, -4 thou for it to interact with the accelerator/op rod catch smoothly.
If you can remove the stock and prop up rifle to observe the movement you'll see it after you study how it works.
Some of those bullet guides can be peened to lengthen them if they're short.
Its like a little lump that protrudes off the head on the end of the stamped/forged part.
Guide nose needs to be in spec,.183 high, -4 thou for it to interact with the accelerator/op rod catch smoothly.
If you can remove the stock and prop up rifle to observe the movement you'll see it after you study how it works.
Some of those bullet guides can be peened to lengthen them if they're short.
Its like a little lump that protrudes off the head on the end of the stamped/forged part.
I will take a look at this. I've emailed Charlie for his opinion since he was the last person to touch the rifle (from a maintenance standpoint).
I'm starting to lean towards this being a new clip/crappy clip issue. Although the little bastards are hard to fully seat, they eject freely when I hit the eject button.
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