States push for allowing concealed carry of guns without permit

Pinecone · Feb 5, 2021

press1280 said:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...final-committee-hurdle-headed-to-senate-floor

And Utah’s bill is also headed to the senate floor for a vote

I wonder how that will effect the Utah Non-Res Permit.

press1280 · Feb 5, 2021

Pinecone said:
I wonder how that will effect the Utah Non-Res Permit.

Shouldn’t affect it at all. The qualifications for the license themselves do not change.

Biggfoot44 · Feb 5, 2021

Currently Montana law is far from Draconian.

Readily obtained Shall Issue , Concealed Carry w/o Permit outside of city boundaries ( 99% plus of the state, and OC everywhere .

G O B · Feb 5, 2021

Good chance of passing here in TX. Governor has said he will sign it.

ElGato · Feb 5, 2021

Bob A said:
Complaints aside, the loosening of carry laws over the last decade has been breath-taking. There's a clear divide in the country over the topic, and the citizens are voting with their dollars to choose firearms over wishful thinking. Their legislators are not too far behind, as they all see where the crowd is heading. Soon they'll manage to catch up and lead them where they're already headed. ...are aiding and advancing the spread of CCW/Constitutional Carry.

Since I'm new to this arena and only a little familiar with laws outside of MD (and frankly the ones inside MD still baffle me a bit)...

Would it take a constitutional amendment to make Carry Permits (concealed or otherwise) a must-issue thing nationwide or could it be done with legislation?

teratos · Feb 5, 2021

ElGato said:
Since I'm new to this arena and only a little familiar with laws outside of MD (and frankly the ones inside MD still baffle me a bit)...

Would it take a constitutional amendment to make Carry Permits (concealed or otherwise) a must-issue thing nationwide or could it be done with legislation?

We already have that Constitutional Amendment. It's the Second. We need the Courts to state the obvious.

Dave M · Feb 5, 2021

teratos said:
We already have that Constitutional Amendment. It's the Second. We need the Courts to state the obvious.

ElGato · Feb 5, 2021

teratos said:
We already have that Constitutional Amendment. It's the Second. We need the Courts to state the obvious.

Wow, hey, real quippy answer! However that's clearly not the case right now, isn't it?

press1280 · Feb 5, 2021

ElGato said:
Wow, hey, real quippy answer! However that's clearly not the case right now, isn't it?

Answer would be a SCOTUS ruling affirming public carry through shall issue at a minimum

press1280 · Feb 5, 2021

Montana’s bill is headed to the Governor and Utah’s is heading to the House for concurrence, then onto the Governor.
2021 looks to be a great year for constitutional carry already.

Biggfoot44 · Feb 5, 2021

@ El Gato - We're mostly Bill of Rights purists around here , and believe that the Constitution actually means what it says . Which it indeed does .

That said , what is currently being litigated ( including the most recent case to which MSI is party to ) are seeking results to mandate the Availability of Shall Issue at minimum .

Pinecone · Feb 6, 2021

press1280 said:
Shouldn’t affect it at all. The qualifications for the license themselves do not change.

The question is, will they offer the permit if no permit is required for Utah?

Biggfoot44 · Feb 6, 2021

Yes . A significant number of Utah residents will still wish Permits in order to have reciprosity when they go out of state .

CrueChief · Feb 6, 2021

Pinecone said:
The question is, will they offer the permit if no permit is required for Utah?

As long as there is a buck or two to be made from us out of staters why would they stop offering a way to take our money?

teratos · Feb 6, 2021

ElGato said:
Wow, hey, real quippy answer! However that's clearly not the case right now, isn't it?

It is! Unfortunately, the government is a little fuzzy on it.

press1280 · Feb 9, 2021

Utah's bill just cleared final passage through the legislature and is headed to the governor for signature!

CrueChief · Feb 9, 2021

Seems like the Montana Bill has cleared final passage through the legislature heading the governor's way.

Current Bill Progress: Passed By Legislature--Enrolling and Final Preparation Process.

swamplynx · Feb 9, 2021

When is South Carolina going to get their act together and at least accept NR permits or allow NRs to apply for an SC permit? And handgun open carry for that. What is holding them back? Old boy souther shit?

Blacksmith101 · Feb 9, 2021

press1280 said:
Answer would be a SCOTUS ruling affirming public carry through shall issue at a minimum

This case currently before the Supreme Court could be the one that changes everything:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/20-843.html

For new members who are not up to speed on the second amendment reading the Brief amici curiae is a good education.

Here is the thread on MDS that is following this case:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=251967

wjackcooper's post #87 is a particularly good analysis of the current status of the case.

Biggfoot44 · Feb 9, 2021

The thing is, actual SC Residents ( aka Voters ) don't think they have a problem . They have easy Shall Issue .

No State based 2A Org has taken the banner up for visitors with enough fervor to counter act the political influence of SLED .

( And South Carolinians probably feel about the same about Atlanta residents , as Pennsylvanians feel about NYC residents .)

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