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Matlack · Jan 31, 2019

Hawkeye said:
In theory, I agree with you - a child should be the responsibility of the parent, not the State.

However, in practice, where do you draw the line with helping out a kid that wouldn't otherwise have a chance in life so that they'll lift themselves up out of the kind of poverty and squalor that they'd otherwise be condemned to by dint of birth to shitty parents?

I watch the kids in my son's school, or the ones I worked with in Scouts, and it's informative. By and large, the ones with decent parents who are having their needs met are decent kids. The ones with crappy parents who don't meet their child's basic needs are squirrely. One of my son's classmates is hyperactive and crazy all the time, but this little girl is typically given a two liter of Pepsi and a (full size) bag of Doritos for lunch. Of course she acts like a maniac when that's her diet. Honestly, I'd rather that the county spend a dollar a day feeding her decent food so she'll be a little more calm and act out a little less in class so that my son and the other kids have a better chance to learn because Ms. Dorito isn't jumping out of her chair every five minutes. Yes, we're spending money to correct the poor choices of her parents, but there's a net benefit there.

Likewise with feminine products. Take a little girl who either doesn't have a mom, or doesn't have one who cares or whatever. If she has to start missing a few days of school every month, she's going to be one of the ones who ends up pregnant and on public assistance for the rest of her life. Again, I'm fine with spending a few bucks here and there to at least give her a better shot at avoiding that future. It's not a guarantee, but there's a chance at the net benefit to society there, too.

Yay, let's all feel warm and fuzzy. Plenty of people have decided they didn't want to live that way and changed themselves for the better. What you are talking about is socialism. Pardon me if I dont agree.

outrider58 · Jan 31, 2019

Reginald Denny approves...

KevinK · Jan 31, 2019

outrider58 said:
Reginald Denny approves...

As does Damian 'football' Williams.

Hawkeye · Jan 31, 2019

Reptile said:
At what point do we decide that government as parent is a self-defeating model?

That's a legit question, and honestly I don't know that I have a solid answer to it.

I just think that running around yelling "That's the PARENT'S job!" or "Why can't this 12 year old be responsible for herself!" or "SOCIALISM!!!1!:!!!" when people talk about the possibility of providing free feminine products so that little girls won't have to walk around school with blood spots on their pants or just not go to school is a) silly, and b) cruel.

Matlack said:
Yay, let's all feel warm and fuzzy. Plenty of people have decided they didn't want to live that way and changed themselves for the better.

Ok, so how would you argue that it's up to a 11 year old girl who has either effectively no parents or really shitty ones to "change herself for the better" when she starts menstruation and has no tampons? Honest question.

What you are talking about is socialism. Pardon me if I dont agree.

You certainly don't need my pardon. Each of us is free to believe what we like.

KevinK · Jan 31, 2019

Hawkeye said:
..... Ok, so how would you argue that it's up to a 11 year old girl who has either effectively no parents or really shitty ones to "change herself for the better" when she starts menstruation and has no tampons? Honest question.

I don't have an answer, but will just leave this here (mostly joking).

Mightydog · Jan 31, 2019

Ammo Jon said:
They are all about helping others, they should pay 15% more in taxes. Put their money with their mouth is.

But then all they’ll do is create another tax that only the counties that CAN’T balance their budget will share in. Just like the “alcohol” tax.

TexDefender · Jan 31, 2019

Hawkeye said:
It's the idea that if you take two little girls from two different houses, one who has parents who care and can afford feminine products, and one who doesn't. The one who doesn't is going to face all kinds of barriers that the other doesn't, like not being able to come to school during her period, etc, none of which are her fault.

So we punish little girls who are poor or have parents that don't give a crap?

I'm all about personal responsibility, but I think it's important to remember that not everyone is blessed with parents who give a damn.

True, but is there not other avenues? Seems, that Child Services should be notified. How about all the different charities? Seems to me, if I can pull myself out of a west Texas Border town. Who folks were so poor, they had to use newspaper to plug the holes in the windows during the winter. That there are other that can do the same.

ROBAR35 · Jan 31, 2019

In the last 30 years I have watched Howard Co. turn into an absolute liberal ********. That is all. :mad54:

outrider58 · Jan 31, 2019

When I was a young lad, I made a habit of hanging with these sorts. If you gave them midnight basketball(came along much later), they would be there. Afterwards, they'd find someone to burgle or rob on the way home. Straight people just don't, can't understand the mind of your run-of-the-mill delinquent. Some had/have good upbringing in a functional family setting. Some did not. Some of us, most of us grew up and out of this type of behavior. Those who didn't are either dead, dying, or in and out of prison.

I offer no insight to a 'cure'. No logical reason why. To my knowledge, no one has stumbled across an answer to this dilemma. Don't know if they ever will.

Blacksmith101 · Feb 2, 2019

How about an advertising campaign targeted to young people - "If you have a problem ask a trusted adult for help."

If that 11 year old asked one of her teachers or a minister or police officer for help there is an excellent chance that she would get the help she needs which no doubt includes a lot more things than free tampons. And her brothers and sisters who probably are also suffering from poor parenting would get help also.

Treat the cause (the family situation) not the symptom (no menstrual products).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Dhkz7471E

CBo · Feb 2, 2019

The error in logic is that this guy incorrectly assumes the kid had no choice and only did it because he was poor (because hes black, remember?). When in reality the most likely reason is a crime of opportunity, to steal something so easily and not likely to get in trouble. You can't help someone who doesnt want help, kind of like those idiots who think helping a drug addict when they have no want to stop. Both drug addicts and people who do harm to another have to experience something where they realize the consequences of their actions are not worth the reward of their crime. The other fallacy of the guy who posted his "concern" is that kids who get free food are from poor families. Here is a breakdown of eligible household requirements:
Income Eligibility Guidelines (July 1, 2018 – June 30, 2019)
Household Size: 1= Year: $22,459 Month: $1,872 Week: $432
Household Size: 2= Year: $30,451 Month: $2,538 Week: $586
Household Size: 3= Year: $38,443 Month: $3,204 Week: $740
Household Size: 4= Year: $46,435 Month: $3,870 Week: $893
Household Size: 5= Year: $54,427 Month: $4,536 Week: $1,047
Household Size: 6= Year: $62,419 Month: $5,202 Week: $1,201
Household Size: 7= Year: $70,411 Month: $5,868 Week: $1,355
Household Size: 8= Year: $78,403 Month: $6,534 Week: $1,508
For each additional family member add: Year: + $7,992 Month: + $666 Week: + $154
If the household gets SNAP benefits they automatically qualify.
https://www.hcpss.org/food-services/farms/

K31 · Feb 2, 2019

This is just the tip of the iceberg for liberals. Media sensation and POTUS wannabe Kamala Harris is among a buttload of liberals who want to give yutes $15/hour Government jobs with health care, sick leave, etc. They want to do this on a "trial" basis in two states to start with. Somebody say "not Socialism"?

Don't worry about the tax increase because that will pale in comparison to the loss of value in savings due to inflation when this kicks in.

outrider58 · Feb 2, 2019

CBo said:
The error in logic is that this guy incorrectly assumes the kid had no choice and only did it because he was poor (because hes black, remember?). When in reality the most likely reason is a crime of opportunity, to steal something so easily and not likely to get in trouble. You can't help someone who doesnt want help, kind of like those idiots who think helping a drug addict when they have no want to stop. Both drug addicts and people who do harm to another have to experience something where they realize the consequences of their actions are not worth the reward of their crime. The other fallacy of the guy who posted his "concern" is that kids who get free food are from poor families...

Bingo!

outrider58 · Feb 2, 2019

ROBAR35 said:
In the last 30 years I have watched Howard Co. turn into an absolute liberal ********. That is all.

Meanwhile, drunk driving is way up in Mo and PG counties. They said they will do a study to determine why that is. We know why that is...

...uno mas cerveza por favor.

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