BCPD Strikes Again!

vector03 · Feb 11, 2016

OP mentioned past interaction with law enforcement. That might be why they showed up first this time.

zoostation · Feb 11, 2016

lennyk said:
Outside of medic safety, I'm curious as to why. As I recall, PD just has very basic BLS training. What would they do if there's an active MI infront of them? Nitro, aspirin? AED? If it's just to have a body on the scene? Not sure about this. Regardless, I hope the OP has a successful outcome and is well.

I think it depends on the department. In the county I worked for, we never ran with fire on calls unless there was a police-related reason. The only exception being in the rural areas where police cars carried automatic defibrillators because they could often be at cardiac arrest scenes before fire.

In contrast, where I grew up in Bel Air, they used to dispatch the PD on every single ambulance call in town. Not sure if they still do or not.

marylandmark · Feb 11, 2016

Just to get the correct information out there and truly sorry you are going through what sounds like a crock of BS.

DaedalEVE said:
AR15's chambered in .223/5.56 were included in the Maryland Assault Weapons Ban in 2013. Because of that you can no longer purchase AR15's or AR15 clones within the state, with the one exception being AR15's which have a bull barrel.

Bull barrel (HBAR) means it is a rifle, not a pistol. Pistols don't have barrel profiles pe se.

DaedalEVE said:
My understanding is that this basically means AR15's that use either .223 or 5.56 (either in rifle or pistol configuration) are no longer legal to manufacture, sell, or transfer within the state of MD.
So only the ones which were purchased and registered before October 1, 2013 are in private hands any more.

As far as AR15 pistols go, since MD uses an "approved handgun list", only those handguns specifically named on the list can be purchased within the state... And as far as I know only a handful of AR15 pistols are on the list.

Most FFL's can get a pistol on the approved handgun list. I found out the hard way it takes about 3 months to do but is fairly easy process none the less. Doesn't make it any less ignorant to have the list to start with but we all know that.

DaedalEVE said:
You can still purchase a Sig556 as a pistol or rifle as the Sig556 was not included in the Assault Weapons Ban, and since it does not have parts commonality with an AR15 it is not considered an AR15 clone of any sort.
I believe this also means that AR15's which use other calibers such as 9mm are still legal for sale within the state because they do not use standard AR15 parts.

It's complicated (overly so).
Long story short: You can no longer purchase an AR15 chambered in 5.56 with a govt. profile bbl in the state of MD. Not legally.

Correct as a .gov profile is a rifle, pistols are good to go. 9mm, etc are good to go as you stated as well.

lennyk said:
AR Pistols and HBAR's are perfectly legal. Heck, you can even purchase an AK pistol if you wanted to.

Correct, I've bought both after FSA2013 but I'm sure they will be along shortly to "correct" that.

gamer_jim · Feb 11, 2016

sundazes said:
Stop posting and retain counsel.
There are a couple of EXCELLENT 2A attorneys in the IP section.

This!

5.56blaster · Feb 11, 2016

lennyk said:
Police are typically not 1st responders for a medical emergency (unless threat to self). A 911 call for chest pain does not summon the police. If medics are not available then the fire department responds. This is very unusual. Why were the police summoned by the dispatcher? I don't even think they carry AED as standard.

Police respond to medical calls all the time, many have lots of EMS training. Ive been both (LEO and Fire/EMS) and in the thousands of calls I ran many times an LEO is on scene before EMS and if the call sounds like it may be something an LEO will show up if they aren't involved with something else if for nothing more than traffic control depending on the location.

lonzo · Feb 11, 2016

weeman said:
There are many reasons for police to be dispatched. Non of which have to do with firearms. However they were out of line once they got there. BCoPD is good for this, they confiscated a shotgun from me in 2003 with no charges. I eventually got it back and there was no reason for them to take it, or be in my house anyway.

did they shoot with it or something? anyways, did you file a complaint?

Schipperke · Feb 11, 2016

DaedalEVE said:
Yes they did. The police took the AR15 pistol.
I was told by my mother that the police WANTED to search the entire house and take EVERYTHING registered to me (while I was in the hospital), but she prevented that from happening.
She did however GIVE THEM my handguns, shotgun, and ruger 10/22. While I did find that rather annoying to hear, it's nothing that can't be replaced. Only the AR15 the police actually took that night is irreplaceable, and that's only due to state law being what it is.

My main issue is the fact that police came into my home and decided to seize a firearm simply because it was there. That is unacceptable in my opinion, and something which should not be happening.

What the heck is going on with that?

tmd99 · Feb 11, 2016

Replevin. District Court has forms.

http://mdcourts.gov/district/forms/civil/dccv004br.pdf

CrazyIvan · Feb 11, 2016

5.56blaster said:
Police respond to medical calls all the time, many have lots of EMS training. Ive been both (LEO and Fire/EMS) and in the thousands of calls I ran many times an LEO is on scene before EMS and if the call sounds like it may be something an LEO will show up if they aren't involved with something else if for nothing more than traffic control depending on the location.

When I rode ambulance back in the early 90's, I always appreciated when the State Police or Sheriff's Deputies would arrive at the scene to help with crowd or traffic control, or even to help calm down family members, allowing us to work on the patients more readily.

SS396 · Feb 11, 2016

lennyk said:
Police are typically not 1st responders for a medical emergency (unless threat to self). A 911 call for chest pain does not summon the police. If medics are not available then the fire department responds. This is very unusual. Why were the police summoned by the dispatcher? I don't even think they carry AED as standard.

Officers are often sent on fire rescue calls if there is a "hazard" flag on the address. Past threats against officers, etc could generate a hazard entry. That's just one example. Not saying that is the case here. But as usual only one side of the story is being told.

weeman · Feb 11, 2016

lonzo said:
did they shoot with it or something? anyways, did you file a complaint?

I'm not sure what they did. It was just a plain old 870 express. I was young and naive, wasn't really sure what to do for recourse. Eventually I got a letter saying to come pick it up.

highli99 · Feb 11, 2016

pwoolford said:
I doubt many people can tell the difference between a 14.5 and 16 by just looking at it.

I can measure up to 10 inches by "just looking at it". Beyond that i need a ruler.

Rhome3 · Feb 12, 2016

highli99 said:
I can measure up to 10 inches by "just looking at it". Beyond that i need a ruler.

Lucky you. I can only "guess" up to 6 inches

rseymorejr · Feb 12, 2016

highli99 said:
I can measure up to 10 inches by "just looking at it". Beyond that i need a ruler.

My wife thinks she can do that.

Thinks she can :innocent0

Mr. Ed · Feb 12, 2016

highli99 said:
I can measure up to 10 inches by "just looking at it". Beyond that i need a ruler.

Rhome3 said:
Lucky you. I can only "guess" up to 6 inches

I can measure 8-1/2" with my hand... fingertip of the thumb to fingertip of the pinky. Once you test your own span, you've got a built-in ruler that's pretty accurate.

iCoder80 · Feb 12, 2016

SS396 said:
Officers are often sent on fire rescue calls if there is a "hazard" flag on the address. Past threats against officers, etc could generate a hazard entry. That's just one example. Not saying that is the case here. But as usual only one side of the story is being told.

I was thinking along the same lines. I suspect there is an additional back story on this situation.

Don H · Feb 12, 2016

lennyk said:
Outside of medic safety, I'm curious as to why. As I recall, PD just has very basic BLS training. What would they do if there's an active MI infront of them?

CPR. PD would occasionally arrive before EMS, I've even seen cops doing CPR upon arrival of Fire or EMS.

Basically you call 911 for help you get any emergency service available. You can't tell 911 to only send EMS but not Fire or PD. And when you make that call you in effect give permission to which ever service arrives to enter your home.

That being said making an issue over a legal weapon while your in the middle of having an MI is a dick move. The troops take their orders from Little Jimmy J.

fred2207 · Feb 12, 2016

Schipperke said:
What the heck is going on with that?

I wonder if it was a mental health issue??? I say that because the OP story seems to be changing and the responses seem erratic in content...

Blackstar65 · Feb 12, 2016

If their are minors under 16 in the home and were present during the call for service you have opened your self up to an allowing access charge. That's the only thing I can think of.

PJDiesel · Feb 12, 2016

Schipperke said:
What the heck is going on with that?

That's' what I was wondering, got all the way to page 3 and no one had asked......

Seems odd to want/need to "confiscate" anything at all from a person complaining of chest pains.....

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