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  • Brooklyn

    I stand with John Locke.
    Jan 20, 2013
    13,095
    Plan D? Not worth the hassle.
    Bloomberg has already lobbied against national reciprocity. He'll do it again.

    The only national reciprocity that passed was for the police. Even that got resistance from states like NJ, with the NJ AG warning out of state cops that they'd get arrested.

    Yes and that's why need need a national fight as well.

    Before the awb other states could ignore gun in friendly states like Md nj etc. But look what did not happen after Newtown. Its not 1994...
    Now it will be hard but momentum is in our favor... now is the time to press. As gun ownership goes up we need to recruit -- that's the game right there.
     

    Brooklyn

    I stand with John Locke.
    Jan 20, 2013
    13,095
    Plan D? Not worth the hassle.
    The Congress is just going to get more "blue" over time, as the demographic trends of the country strengthen the Democrats' hold. Hence, there is no "Congress can't avoid us" in this, because they can, just as they have been.

    Then why is the house red and the senate blue?

    Cites are failing. The muni bond crisis is only just getting started.

    Retake the state houses. That's the real power.. as states fail they will need handouts from States that are not failing.. that alone may force and amendment or two..

    Why is it that as we gain numbers and strength we see only defeat.

    What you say is only what might be. We use our knowledge of what might be to prevent it.

    Cites are failing. That is a fact.
     

    Brooklyn

    I stand with John Locke.
    Jan 20, 2013
    13,095
    Plan D? Not worth the hassle.
    There were some words in another thread that also pointed out the fact that gun controllers will use federal law to their advantage, but that the same Congress won't use federal law to push our rights.

    I agree. It's time we pushed from a central location.

    I hear lots of people talk about "States Rights", as if governments can have any rights at all. Only people have rights. States have 'powers'. Why do we keep forgetting that in this debate?

    States and the Federal are both responsible for protecting the rights we have. If one falls short, the other can step up. Guns are a great example of building that floor - Utah is not Maryland. Utah steps up where both the Federal and Maryland has failed. Rights in Utah are recognized despite a federal abyss. But for those of us still stuck in Maryland, we need the Federal to step up and set that minimal floor, with or without a willing Supreme Court.

    I think a lot of people in places like Utah or Arizona are concerned the Feds will make it harder for them to carry in their state. It does not have to be that way (because that would be gun control piggy-backing on a 2A bill). Setting a minimal floor would include requiring objective (shall-issue) standards for issuing permits, as well as reciprocity. It need not require a permit in-state, at all, for those states who decide to go without (though permits would probably still be required for those who travel).

    If SCOTUS doesn't pick up Drake (or something like it) this session, then I'd like to see a Congress step up and settle this. Heller says its a right, so the congress can reign supreme over state law. Let Maryland sue the feds for forcing shall-issue. Let them demand the answer to the Heller/bearing in public question.



    Sounds like we were in the same thread... and here we are on the. Same side.... I am going to be at grpc again this year...Chicago... lots of noise.. about the il cases. But I am going to be pushing a national agenda...
     

    PO2012

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    Oct 24, 2013
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    Then why is the house red and the senate blue?

    Cites are failing. The muni bond crisis is only just getting started.

    Retake the state houses. That's the real power.. as states fail they will need handouts from States that are not failing.. that alone may force and amendment or two..

    Cites are failing. That is a fact.

    This is why when I hear the familiar meme that "resistance is futile and obedience is imperative" I shake my head and chuckle. The urban areas of this country are collapsing. Outwardly some may appear to be economic powerhouses but the reality is that very few are. You cannot sustain a City with several hundred thousand or millions of people without a strong industrial base which we no longer have.

    Just look at Baltimore City, a population of 621,000 and 90% are employed in service sector jobs (i.e. restaurants, hotels and retail). It's a house of cards because only a very tiny portion of the population actually makes anything. Yet when the topic of the five western counties seceding and forming a new state is mentioned people dismiss the idea out of hand and say "You can't survive without Baltimore and her neighboring counties." Oh really? Is that so? A densely populated urban core, with no industry to speak of combined with high rates of violent crime, government corruption, illegitimacy and functional illiteracy is holding Maryland together? Wrong. Much of Baltimore's so called economy comes from Federal and State Government largesse. Remove that and the area collapses. Without SNAP, WIC and Section 8 about 2/3 of Baltimore City's day to day transactions would cease.

    Within the next twenty years the States that have collapsed under the weight of socialism are going to come hat in hand to those that didn't and then guess who's going to be setting the agenda. You want a bail out - repeal this gun law. You want help rebuilding industry - change the following policies. Things will be coming full circle soon enough.
     

    PO2012

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    Oct 24, 2013
    815
    Specifically the younger generation, females and non whites.

    Absolutely. The right to keep and bear arms is part of our heritage. Unfortunately there's a significant portion of the population that is ignorant of this fact or which has been conditioned to believe that RKBA is a tool of oppression or a relic. These folks need to be taught otherwise. Few people need to carry a gun for self defense more than women and those who live in the inner cities and yet they're the ones least likely to do so.
     

    Brooklyn

    I stand with John Locke.
    Jan 20, 2013
    13,095
    Plan D? Not worth the hassle.
    This is why when I hear the familiar meme that "resistance is futile and obedience is imperative" I shake my head and chuckle. The urban areas of this country are collapsing. Outwardly some may appear to be economic powerhouses but the reality is that very few are. You cannot sustain a City with several hundred thousand or millions of people without a strong industrial base which we no longer have.

    Just look at Baltimore City, a population of 621,000 and 90% are employed in service sector jobs (i.e. restaurants, hotels and retail). It's a house of cards because only a very tiny portion of the population actually makes anything. Yet when the topic of the five western counties seceding and forming a new state is mentioned people dismiss the idea out of hand and say "You can't survive without Baltimore and her neighboring counties." Oh really? Is that so? A densely populated urban core, with no industry to speak of combined with high rates of violent crime, government corruption, illegitimacy and functional illiteracy is holding Maryland together? Wrong. Much of Baltimore's so called economy comes from Federal and State Government largesse. Remove that and the area collapses. Without SNAP, WIC and Section 8 about 2/3 of Baltimore City's day to day transactions would cease.

    Within the next twenty years the States that have collapsed under the weight of socialism are going to come hat in hand to those that didn't and then guess who's going to be setting the agenda. You want a bail out - repeal this gun law. You want help rebuilding industry - change the following policies. Things will be coming full circle soon enough.

    If they wait that long. The affected states will need to surrender thrier sovereignty. It will force s constitutional crisis.. good chance they will loose equal representation in the senate. That would be my price for a Bailout... fool me once.. ...etc.

    If I were a D I would be afraid... very afraid.. the cities are failing..
     

    ArchConservative

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    Feb 27, 2014
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    If they wait that long. The affected states will need to surrender thrier sovereignty. It will force s constitutional crisis.. good chance they will loose equal representation in the senate. That would be my price for a Bailout... fool me once.. ...etc.

    If I were a D I would be afraid... very afraid.. the cities are failing..

    Oh, the cities (and country) will fail as the population becomes more "diverse" from immigration. But what happens after this failure? The liberals still have the perpetual votes.
     

    Brooklyn

    I stand with John Locke.
    Jan 20, 2013
    13,095
    Plan D? Not worth the hassle.
    So you agree that we're heading toward civil war?

    No. We go to con con. Or we go to hell. There is only one side that knows how to survive the fight. Civil war requires equal factions. That's not what we will have.

    I live to close to the city. I will be part of the die off. That's life...

    The rest can prepare and maybe survive... good luck to them.
     

    ArchConservative

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    No. We go to con con. Or we go to hell. There is only one side that knows how to survive the fight. Civil war requires equal factions. That's not what we will have.

    I live to close to the city. I will be part of the die off. That's life...

    The rest can prepare and maybe survive... good luck to them.

    Interesting. What do you think precipitates this? A default on our obligations? A gun ban?
     

    Brooklyn

    I stand with John Locke.
    Jan 20, 2013
    13,095
    Plan D? Not worth the hassle.
    Interesting. What do you think precipitates this? A default on our obligations? A gun ban?

    Gun ban is a side show. Could be a catalyst but Most likely not. Un funded liabilities of 200 T or so... that's a time bomb.. the first can con was over debt.. so will be the second.


    Its a done deal.. its why Germany is rearming and why the US will stand down its military... sooner or later hell breaks loose.

    No way out....

    If we get a con con start thinking about what we want that's doable.... we will be in a very strong position... but liberals are stupid enough to destroy everything for spite. Frankly that's my bet.

    50 50 we get to con con before chaos. 70 % that fails due to liberals idiocy. Then chaos then military coup.

    I expect to be dead in the first few waves of chaos unless I can escape in time.. if I were younger I would run now.. if I were much older in would just wait for death.. I am in the middle.. could go either way..


    There is much at stake here. . And no room for f..k ups.
     

    PO2012

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    Oct 24, 2013
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    History teaches that votes are not an issue in military coup. This is what we face...


    The survivors will be those who know the drill.

    Exactly. As a general rule, residents of urban areas are poorly armed and lack the resources that their suburban and rural cousins possess. They can't take up farming because there isn't nearly enough arable land. They're going to have a serious issue with potable water because of their population density and lack of navigable waters as well as lakes and streams. Urban centers have far fewer military veterans that rural areas. You can live in a house without water and power if you adapt but apartment buildings quickly become unsanitary death traps - just look at what happened to the cities in Bosnia.

    Folks living in the cities think they're in a position of strength. They're wrong.
     

    PO2012

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    Oct 24, 2013
    815
    If we get a con con start thinking about what we want that's doable.... we will be in a very strong position... but liberals are stupid enough to destroy everything for spite. Frankly that's my bet.

    50 50 we get to con con before chaos. 70 % that fails due to liberals idiocy. Then chaos then military coup.

    Personally, I don't see the need for a Constitutional Convention. The issue isn't that the Constitution has failed, the issue is that it isn't enforced. We have transitioned from a disciplined culture of liberty and industry to an undisciplined culture of dependence and lawlessness. There is a sizable portion of the population that cheers when freedom is destroyed. Amendments are meaningless so long as those folks have a say. I'm reminded of what Justice Learned Hand said: "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it."

    I think we're too far down the road for anything save separation. I think the Union is going to be dissolved, whether by voluntary withdrawal or by force remains to be seen but I don't think that the United States are going to remain united - our differences are too many and too deep. It's only a matter of time.
     

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