Push knives illegal in MD?

4g64loser · Jul 22, 2020

Not saying anything, but Edgeworks and Red Hill Tactical (hagerstown) both have some very nice steel on display. Not all of it is legal to carry but, hey, you can always collect. Then carry when it is no longer a question of legality.

I would also suggest looking at some of the stuff Shiv Works has done. I don't suggest carrying them in Marylandistan, but sometimes you do what you have to. Their push knife is very well thought out. I have handled one belonging to a friend. Not my chosen blade type but it was well made. The clinch pick, however, is another critter. I'd suggest getting the trainer model of either (or both) that you buy as well. Great for manipulation practice. DO NOT use the trainers when working with a partner during FoF. They are steel and will still injure very easily.

joppaj · Jul 22, 2020

Norton said:
OK, order placed......let's see.

The one I had was sharp as hell out of the box, but I never used it for much so I have no idea how well that edge held up. I gave it to a friend before he deployed to Iraq, no idea what became of it from there.

Norton · Jul 22, 2020

dontpanic said:
Yes, downtown Frederick. I'll let you know if I see them. It's definately worth a stop if you're close by

I've been in there before - in what I now refer to as "the time before"; back when we used to go places and do things.

Norton · Jul 22, 2020

joppaj said:
The one I had was sharp as hell out of the box, but I never used it for much so I have no idea how well that edge held up. I gave it to a friend before he deployed to Iraq, no idea what became of it from there.

For less than $70, I'm up for trying it. The other one would have been around $130 by the time I got everything for it.

Dingo3 · Jul 22, 2020

JerseyMike said:
You can’t carry knives for self-defense. Good luck justifying another utility for the knife OP linked. Sure you could get creative, but do you really want to deal with that headache? Penalty is an up to 3 year misdemeanor

Who said it’s for self-defense? Could be used as a letter opener. As long as not being carried illegally, the burden of proof is on the state. Do I recommend it? Nope. But not illegal if carried openly with no ill intent.

Roneut · Jul 22, 2020

Threads like these are precisely why I went to the trouble of writing out a full legality guide for the state:
http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/maryland-knife-laws

All there in plain English with citations and case law references, and it's been updated recently. I know some people are going to read this and say "but I thought/heard..." So you did, but without a citation I would not take it seriously.

teratos · Jul 22, 2020

glistam said:
Threads like these are precisely why I went to the trouble of writing out a full legality guide for the state:
http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/maryland-knife-laws

All there in plain English with citations and case law references, and it's been updated recently. I know some people are going to read this and say "but I thought/heard..." So you did, but without a citation I would not take it seriously.

Awesome! Thank you.

engineerbrian · Jul 22, 2020

glistam said:
Threads like these are precisely why I went to the trouble of writing out a full legality guide for the state:
http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/maryland-knife-laws

All there in plain English with citations and case law references, and it's been updated recently. I know some people are going to read this and say "but I thought/heard..." So you did, but without a citation I would not take it seriously.

Awesome, thanks. I saved it to my favorites

Dave.B · Jul 22, 2020

glistam said:
Threads like these are precisely why I went to the trouble of writing out a full legality guide for the state:
http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/maryland-knife-laws

All there in plain English with citations and case law references, and it's been updated recently. I know some people are going to read this and say "but I thought/heard..." So you did, but without a citation I would not take it seriously.

Stop...facts are like poison on the internet. :lol2:

smokey · Jul 22, 2020

glistam said:
Threads like these are precisely why I went to the trouble of writing out a full legality guide for the state:
http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/maryland-knife-laws

All there in plain English with citations and case law references, and it's been updated recently. I know some people are going to read this and say "but I thought/heard..." So you did, but without a citation I would not take it seriously.

The bacon 1991 case is cool, because it looks like it allows someone to carry a folding knife that's locked open in a similar manner that you'd just carry a fixed blade. So it looks like if I wanted a weak-side belt-mounted knife to grab in a hurry, I could toss a locked open folder in some kydex and call it a day. Doing the same thing with a fixed blade could get you in trouble if it's concealed.

Roneut · Jul 23, 2020

smokey0118 said:
The bacon 1991 case is cool, because it looks like it allows someone to carry a folding knife that's locked open in a similar manner that you'd just carry a fixed blade. So it looks like if I wanted a weak-side belt-mounted knife to grab in a hurry, I could toss a locked open folder in some kydex and call it a day. Doing the same thing with a fixed blade could get you in trouble if it's concealed.

I have been in the market for a custom kydex sheath for a while now for this exact reason, though I haven't found a maker I like for the job yet.

I did carry on open and locked large size folder during the earlier months of quarantine when I had to make store runs (along with OC and at least one blunt-force weapon), though my sheath was a crude DIY job. Made me really want to step up the search for someone to do a custom Kydex.

eruby · Jul 23, 2020

If I were going to carry an OTF auto knife, it might be the Lightning.

Very sharp, fairly durable, and at $30, wouldn't care if it got confiscated.

https://www.grindworx.com/item--Black-Lightning-DA-OTF--396

outrider58 · Jul 23, 2020

JerseyMike said:
You can’t carry knives for self-defense. Good luck justifying another utility for the knife OP linked. Sure you could get creative, but do you really want to deal with that headache? Penalty is an up to 3 year misdemeanor

It's my "tuck knife" for carpet. They can eat me.

Occam · Jul 23, 2020

glistam said:
Threads like these are precisely why I went to the trouble of writing out a full legality guide for the state:
http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/maryland-knife-laws

All there in plain English with citations and case law references, and it's been updated recently. I know some people are going to read this and say "but I thought/heard..." So you did, but without a citation I would not take it seriously.

Thanks for that. I may have missed any reference in it as to folks with a MD wear and carry permit, and how that affects things.

Roneut · Jul 23, 2020

Occam said:
Thanks for that. I may have missed any reference in it as to folks with a MD wear and carry permit, and how that affects things.

That's an excellent point. The permits are so hard to obtain that I often neglect them. 4-101 actually contains a exception:

(b) This section does not prohibit the following individuals from carrying a weapon:
...
(3) a holder of a permit to carry a handgun issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;

Which pretty much means permit holders have no restrictions on carry under state law.

alucard0822 · Jul 23, 2020

Not a fan of push daggers, they are simple and easy to use, but don't offer much in the way of control, just stabs a couple of inches deep. I'm a fan of the Karambit, great for control and grappling, especially as backup to a firearm if someone grabs you before you can draw, small and can be folding/concealed. The TDI has some of the same benefits, but built primarily to use with a more intuitive forward grip. If I was going to OC a fixed blade anyway, would go with a 7-9" fighting knife, way more useful, way more reach, way more useable techniques.

PS not sure where you tried to get the Tertiary from but they are probably idiots, some retailers go overboard with CYA/BGOS in the knife world too.

44man · Jul 23, 2020

eruby said:
If I were going to carry an OTF auto knife, it might be the Lightning.

Very sharp, fairly durable, and at $30, wouldn't care if it got confiscated.

https://www.grindworx.com/item--Black-Lightning-DA-OTF--396

I have several of the double edge version of the lightening and I love it!!

outrider58 · Jul 23, 2020

alucard0822 said:
Not a fan of push daggers, they are simple and easy to use, but don't offer much in the way of control, just stabs a couple of inches deep. I'm a fan of the Karambit, great for control and grappling, especially as backup to a firearm if someone grabs you before you can draw, small and can be folding/concealed. The TDI has some of the same benefits, but built primarily to use with a more intuitive forward grip. If I was going to OC a fixed blade anyway, would go with a 7-9" fighting knife, way more useful, way more reach, way more useable techniques.

PS not sure where you tried to get the Tertiary from but they are probably idiots, some retailers go overboard with CYA/BGOS in the knife world too.

It's a throat/neck knife. That's all it does. You don't want to get in a knife fight with one of these. That's why the name "Tertiary". It's a last resort defensive weapon made for close in fighting.

teratos · Jul 23, 2020

Since I have nothing but disdain for Maryland laws, and I am one of the anointed ones with a carry permit, I just ordered one of these as my EDC.

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C165G2/Autonomy-2/1181

Norton · Jul 23, 2020

teratos said:
Since I have nothing but disdain for Maryland laws, and I am one of the anointed ones with a carry permit, I just ordered one of these as my EDC.

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C165G2/Autonomy-2/1181

I'm going to add an ESEE4 to my stable of knives I have available. I'm not really a knife guy, but am recognizing it's better to have too many rather than too few.

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