I know this topic has many threads, but this is more of a what the fxxk? At the Howard Co. show today and spoke with the guys at White Marsh Arms. Since they are a class I, II, and III dealer I asked about building an AR pistol from a stripped lower. The response I got was 180 degrees from what I'd been told at another gun dealer's store (who's an IP). The guys at White marsh arms said "not legal because it's regulated and not on the roster, I'd have to build it then submit it for approval." Even more WTF is the fact that another IP (engage armament) has complete LWRC PSD lowers for sale!? If it's not legal how are they selling them, the paperwork would'nt come back not-dissapproved if it's illegal? Before I have a stroke trying to figure this shit out somebody make some sense of this, and no comments from the peanut gallery, I'm no newby and have built two ARs already as well as a life long gun owning Marine.
AR pistol?
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VWTurbo
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My first question to you is how did you build a life long gun owning marine. That seems to be some very sophisticated Dr. Frakenstein type stuff going on at your place, clearly you should be able to build an AR pistol.
Just because someone works at a dealer doesn't mean they know WTF they are talking about. AR pistols are legit if built from a virgin stripped lower and doesn't require submission to anything. I am pretty sure you can't sell it as a pistol to someone else though. smarter more knowledgeable people should be along shortly.
Just because someone works at a dealer doesn't mean they know WTF they are talking about. AR pistols are legit if built from a virgin stripped lower and doesn't require submission to anything. I am pretty sure you can't sell it as a pistol to someone else though. smarter more knowledgeable people should be along shortly.
As I understand things so far I can buy a stripped lower, a pistol buffer tube, and pistol length upper and as long as I don't sell, trade or transfer ownership of this weapon to anyone else ever, I'm legit. One reputable store owner I often chat with about these things says it needs engraving(pistol I think). He's gone through the NFA circus multiple time for SBS, SBR and AOWs. The White Marsh Arms guys build and sell Class I, II, and III weapons so I have to at least take what they say into consideration. And my parents and later a half dozen screaming drill instructors made this life long gun owning Marine not me.
Kingjamez
Gun Builder
It DOES NOT need to be engraved pistol. You just need to take a stripped lower, and build it into a pistol configuration. Your completely legal.
You can't sell it unless you convert it to a rifle, that's the only real rub.
-Jim
You can't sell it unless you convert it to a rifle, that's the only real rub.
-Jim
annihilation-time
MOLON LABE
If you call MSP to ask why a stripped lower receiver is regulated, their response will typically include the fact that a stripped AR-15 lower receiver can be build into a pistol. There is nothing in Maryland state law that prohibits an AR-15 pistol build, which means it's legal
Jasonshooter
Active Member
So you can build a ar-15 pistol with a standard lower with a pistol buffer tube
( that will not accept a stock ) and be legit with msp ?
I was told that they were banned from even possessing the in the state of md... I would love to build one for myself,,, bit I don't wanna end up on the wrong side of the law ,,,
Is anyone here 10000000 %%% sure of this ?of so please chime in and set the record strait .....
( that will not accept a stock ) and be legit with msp ?
I was told that they were banned from even possessing the in the state of md... I would love to build one for myself,,, bit I don't wanna end up on the wrong side of the law ,,,
Is anyone here 10000000 %%% sure of this ?of so please chime in and set the record strait .....
annihilation-time
MOLON LABE
If it's not prohibited, it's legal.
- Oct 8, 2007
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it is for you. build it.
ThawMyTongue
Ultimate Member
There seems to be confusion caused by the Bushmaster pistol being banned. Most assume the banned pistol is an AR-15 profile pistol. But it is not:
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MOLON LABE
There seems to be confusion caused by the Bushmaster pistol being banned. Most assume the banned pistol is an AR-15 profile pistol. But it is not:
Exactly. Bushmaster AR-15 pistols are on the handgun roster. They are perfectly legal to purchase and transfer in Maryland.
Ruzo
Ultimate Member
The Lower is already regulated. When you purchase it, you wait the seven days like normal. As long as you don't SBR it meaning Lower, Upper, and butt stock, you're OK. If you add a butt stock, please pay the man $200 bucks, and you can pass go. Baldwin?? I'm right up the road from you in Phoenix.
rwbow1969
Get Wiffit
I have all the parts with the exception of the stripped lower to build a pistol. When the lowers come from the group buy and are in my possesion, it will be built in short form. Put a front grip on an AR pistol and it's NFA a $5 tax stamp I believe. Put a stock on and it's an SBR $200 tax stamp. All of these damn laws are ridiculous but, so is the government. 
Kingjamez
Gun Builder
I have all the parts with the exception of the stripped lower to build a pistol. When the lowers come from the group buy and are in my possesion, it will be built in short form. Put a front grip on an AR pistol and it's NFA a $5 tax stamp I believe. Put a stock on and it's an SBR $200 tax stamp. All of these damn laws are ridiculous but, so is the government.
A forward grip requires a form 1 and a $200.00 stamp to "manufacture" an AOW. It then requires a $5.00 stamp to transfer.
-Jim
- Sep 15, 2012
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Make sure that you don't have parts around that can make the gun an SBR or AOW unless you have an approved(tax stamp) form 1. The ATFE can and will make you spend lots of money and go to jail if you don't do things right.
tc617
USN Sub Vet
I have an AR-15 with a 16" barrel. I also have a spare stock and two vertical pistol grips along with a bunch of other parts that I have swapped off my AR-15. So what you are saying is that I cannot be in possesion of either of those parts when building an AR Pistol?
Kingjamez
Gun Builder
As long as you have legitimate use for the parts you have, you'll have nothing to worry about.
-Jim
Jasonshooter
Active Member
Having other rifles that will accept all the spare parts laying around, would this be considered a legitimate use ?
If I have an a-2 stock buffer tube with the threaded hole filled with aluminum braze so a stock could not be attached would this be an acceptable for a pistol buffer ?
ivanthescourge
Member
Jeez, this thread is making me dizzy. These laws are so ridiculous. What a circus...
rwbow1969
Get Wiffit
It seems they want their $200 any way they can get it. Sons-a-B!tches. Thanks for the info Jim I wasn't sure on the forward grip cost. These issues should be paid close attention to, especially for the new AR owners who can buy all different kinds of parts and put a franken-gun together that might get them in trouble unknowingly. Thanks again Jim
Rob
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